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Moving away from Nextcloud AIO, where do I start setting up a Nextcloud instance WITHOUT Docker? (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by stardustsystem@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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Hi selfhosted! Hope you're having a good day :)

I'm pretty new to self-hosting and have been traipsing through a minefield attempting to make NextCloud AIO work inside Docker. The instance runs for a few days/weeks and then starts getting extremely slow on the website, then dies entirely. Usually, either the ClamAV or Apache containers get stuck in an unhealthy state that no number of reboots or reinstalls can fix.

Quick context for how this all works. I have one machine that runs Proxmox and a group of VMs for various purposes. One such VM runs my Nextcloud. This VM is running Ubuntu 23.10, Docker, and the NextCloud AIO package.

Another VM hosts OpenMediaVault, which contains a set of SMB Shares mounted to the host VM that act as storage for NextCloud. The symlinks (I think I'm using that word right) on the host VM have user and group permissions updated according to AIO's documentation. Proxmox is configured to boot this VM first, then boot the rest in sequence once the files are available.

Right now I've got Nextcloud handling Synchronization of Files, Calendars, Contacts, and Kanban boards via the Deck Extension. Everything else can be abandoned at this point, these are the only functions I'm truly using. If this gives you an idea for an alternative app I'd love to hear it.

So after AIO broke for about the 5th time in the 8 months since I started trying to self-host it, I've been looking at alternatives. Before I go that route, I want to try installing Nextcloud without Docker. Some of the posts I've read here suggest that the Docker distribution of NextCloud has serious issues with stability and safely installing updates.

I plan to make a new VM entirely for this, Distro undecided. I still want to run it as a VM and still use my SMB shares for bulk storage.

So where would I begin if I planned to install NextCloud directly to the VM rather than through Docker?

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It can be run in any LAMP stack, after all NC is just a PHP app. The thing is that no matter the setup NC will always be a pile of bugs and misbehave like nothing else.

[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You didn't even need MySQL since it defaults to SQLite for smaller instances.

[–] synestine@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

True, but SQLite is not recommended in production settings, and is quite often the source of Nextcloud slowdowns, in my experience. A dedicated DB is the first thing I recommend for a production Nextcloud instance.

Oh and to be clear, in this instance, "production" means "people depend on this", be that your family group, team/department, fraternal order, church group, etc. as opposed to "I'm just playing with this thing."

[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

^this. Never run on SQLite.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Long-term plan is that this will be something my immediate and extended family relies on to securely share family photos and make plans among ourselves, so it absolutely needs to not run SQLite. I made that mistake already and fortunately the only one affected was me.

Thanks everyone!