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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/14100831

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[–] AnActOfCreation@programming.dev 11 points 7 months ago (22 children)
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago (21 children)

Google stopped indexing all websites without SSL certificates in July 2018.

For example, darklyrics.com is a website I and many others grew up using as a resource to understanding lyrics. They've stubbornly not gotten an SSL because they transact 0 data beyond band name searches. However, without an SSL, they do not show up in Google search results.

This is one of literally millions of examples. Some more reasonable than others, but it still was a massive blow to the efficacy of their search.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 36 points 7 months ago (9 children)

They've stubbornly not gotten an SSL because they transact 0 data beyond band name searches.

Even if sites do not store user account data, such as passwords, ALL websites, and I mean ALL, handle user data, because merely accessing pages (urls) is user data.

Stubbornness is not a good reason not to setup SSL. Encryption should always be on, all the time, for everything.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ssl doest hide the url you're visiting

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It does. Anyone sniffing the traffic can only see the domain.

[–] hansl@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Not if you use DNSSEC.

[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes it does. You can derive the domain from snooping DNS lookups but the URL is part of the encrypted get header.

[–] AProfessional@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The domain is a public part of TLS itself, SNI, for now.

[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah we're need encrypted SNI. I hear it's coming soon.

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