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Even apt is deliberately broken:
"[If] You use 'sudo apt install chromium', you get a Snap package of Chromium instead of Debian"
This was where I rage quit. Who in the hell thought it was a good idea?
Same here, it's the reason why I kicked Ubuntu off my laptop. They removed any way to choose and made it such a pain to get around the Snap bullshit. I'm on Linux because I want to choose what I do with my system.
Marc Shuttleworth
I have serious doubts about that due to the role of early Ubuntu in popularizing desktop Linux. For many including me, Ubuntu was the first taste of GNU/Linux and it was a breath of fresh air compared to the contemporary clumsy and cumbersome distros like Fedora. Only Ubuntu from those days has any resemblance to the experience we expect from desktop Linux today.
The problems at Canonical seems like a systemic institutional issue, probably related to egotistic management with temper issues. That of course means that Shuttleworth is the source of those personality disorders. But still...
Ubuntu didn't move overall Linux market share at all. It just took the "gateway drug" role from Mandrake/Mandriva.
Canonical
It is a good idea. Imagine you are completely new to Ubuntu and want to install chromium. You're gonna search on Google how to do that and you will probably find an old article telling you to use APT. If ‘sudo apt install chromium’ did not work it would be very frustrating.
Only reason it wouldn't work is Canonical killing the .deb package. That was an unforced error. So no, still not a good idea.
Seriously? Wow. That moves the whole thing into asshole territory. I'm glad I went with a distro that prioritizes not being shitty.
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Why does this break apt? Just because, I assume (I am using Debian btw), it installs a placeholder deb-package which, while running the postinst script, installs chromium via snap commands?
It doesn’t break apt, apt just prefers snaps now.
This is as they designed it.
The issue here is that people don’t like this other thing and so the distribution which has been moving towards this other thing for like a decade now I guess is the bad guy for continuing to work towards that goal.
It doesn’t break apt, Canonical just broke their version of apt ~~just~~ to prefer snaps now.
FTFY
OK, so it's actually apt itself that's different on Ubuntu, not just fake/virtual/transitional deb packages in their repos.
Same with firefox