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The Grace Hopper Celebration is meant to unite women in tech. This year droves of men came looking for jobs.

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[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Problem for what?

I exist, I need a job to live, I have job, I try my best not to be an asshole, I fight (and vote) for a better society, for social and civil rights.

Why exactly I - since I am a man I feel included in your statement - should be THE problem?

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I try my best not to be an asshole

Maybe people are getting too in the weeds with this because muh culture war

But it is an asshole move to show up to an event meant for one group of people when the original issue is how over represented your group is. I'm a developer. The grind sucks. But I would be an asshole to show up to this.

[–] steltek@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would be an asshole to show up to this.

That's the part I really don't get. If you're cis male looking for a job, do you really think crashing this event is going to reflect favorably on you and that you'd be more likely to land a job? People are going to look at you and think that you have good judgment and won't be a problem at all? What the heck is the thought process that makes this a good plan?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I assume most tech bros have a mental form of tinnitus going on in their brains in lieu of thoughts. Just a constant bzzzzzzzzzz

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it is an asshole move to show up to an event meant for one group of people when the original issue is how over represented your group is. I’m a developer. The grind sucks. But I would be an asshole to show up to this.

If I was out of job, I would honestly care less about the fact that "my group" is over represented. There is no white male lobby that pays my mortgage. That said, I - as in the actual me - would not go to such event either, but that's also because I wouldn't go to any job fair atm since I don't need a job.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would honestly care less about the fact that

Sure, that's what makes people behave like assholes. "I don't care about X" is why we have a pretty shitty world in many areas.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is pure rhetoric, I can flip the argument:

"You care more about the gender than about my material condition."

Also, the moment I need to let prevail abstract concepts over my material condition (i.e., caring about "my group" being over represented while I am out of a job) is the moment in which the class unity is broken. Me and those women who are out of a job have so much in common that there is no reason for me to consider us part of two separate groups. That's the whole point of my argument, I advocate for worker solidarity and I absolutely feel that this attitude is overall harmful for it.

[–] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't agree. I can be at a disadvantage and still accept that another group has even greater disadvantages that I would continue or make worse by stepping into something they built. Its freeloading in a pretty assholish way. I'm not just some animal trying to get a nut with narrow focus that says fuck everything else. I can job search and find my own opportunities without freeloading