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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 154 points 6 months ago (70 children)

lol. No they aren’t.

Seriously, windows is about to release forced advertisements in the Start Menu. Windows 12 is going to be a shit show. People aren’t going to flock to Linux, they’re going to Apple. Think they have a lot of money now? Wait until they get more desktop market. They can afford to build another garden.

Say what you want about Apple, it’s probably true. But don’t pretend they don’t have gardens inside gardens.

The only way Apple will fall is if there is actual competition, and nothing is on the horizon.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (30 children)

Hmm interesting thought. But how many people are going to actually buy new computers when they don't get updates? And of course how many will keep trucking with out of date windows? So for the one that buy a new computers, how many will just buy windows again? How many will have a tech savvy relative that can install Linux for them (because they can't afford a new computer)? How many will go to Chromebook because it's cheaper? Personally I never understood luxury brands, which I consider Apple to be.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago (29 children)

Chromebooks aren’t really a threat. People who can use chromebooks as a daily driver probably already are. Also, most of the hardware is absolute garbage.

Apple isn’t all luxury. The Mac mini as fast af and starts at $599.

Apple just doesn’t have a “shit” category, like many other manufacturers.

Sure, a lot of people will choose Linux, but that won’t be a majority.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As much as I don't want to give LTT credit, I think Linus has a point with Chromebooks. Google is playing the long game with them. Students almost exclusively use them these days, and anecdotally, most of them are getting chromebooks and the like for college now that they're getting to that age. That's at least been the case for almost every family member I've had that's started college in the last 5 years.

It's only going to continue as the average Chromebook legitimately is becoming more powerful, and Steam compatibility is improving. You're going to see a whole lot of people who see no need for a PC/mac.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Most people just need a phone.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In general life? Sure. Students? Absolutely not, at least not once you get to college. Sure you can get away with only using school computer labs, but trying to do homework without a computer is borderline impossible these days. Most online homework sites either outright don't work on mobile or are such a pain in the ass that they may as well not.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Some websites/apps just aren’t possible on mobile devices. Those people would need a capable screen. Like a tablet.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair, in my uni only the programming courses depend on using computers for homeworks. Most are still (thankfully!) on paper.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

I had basically the opposite experience. Probably 90% of my homework assignments required some sort of janky website to function.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For a while recently, I had my laptop not working properly so had to use just a phone before the needed part arrived. And after that, I refuse to believe someone could willingly and longterm live with just a phone as a primary device. No. This is actually frustrating.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Most people just have a phone.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which is good in the short term and bad in the long term imo.

It's good because it gives Microsoft and Apple competition, so they'll be forced to adapt to these users who have found that they don't need the desktop app stuff. More services will move to the cloud (like Office), which means less vendor lockin for client devices.

In the longer term, it means more stuff is in the cloud, which means less individual control over their data. That means vendor lockin must shifts from client devices to services, but now you can't just use a compatibility layer like WINE if you want to switch. So we'll then play a cat and mouse game with regulations like the GDPR as companies innovate new ways to screw you over.

So yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about Chromebooks. I'm personally teaching my kids to use Linux (if they want to play games, they use my Linux machines), so hopefully there's enough people pushing against everything going to the cloud to maintain some amount of competition to keep them in check.

[–] Alto@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I think I generally agree with all that. One good side effect is I think this will be the push that gets Linux a bit more mainstream*. It's pretty easy to sideload Linux onto most Chromebooks, so I think a good chunk of kids that like tinkering with stuff are going to try it out, more so than the past. ChromeOS is a lot more restrictive than windows, so there's a bigger incentive to get around it.

  • emphasis on a bit. Frankly I don't think I see a world where Linux has a proper foothold in the mainstream unfortunately.

Yeah, same. But then again, if Linux really did a push to appeal to the mainstream, it would probably lose what I like most and it. That's basically what ChromeOS is (bundling popular, proprietary nonsense), and I'm not a fan.

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