Technology

59534 readers

3183 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

Our Rules

Follow the lemmy.world rules.
Only tech related content.
Be excellent to each another!
Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
Politics threads may be removed.
No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

289

Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes (www.washingtonpost.com)

submitted 6 months ago by ylai@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world

128 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Without paywall: https://archive.ph/NGkbf

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.

Where are you getting that number? The report just said Tesla had the highest accident rate of all brands.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

From the article

Scherr’s statements echoed findings by insurance analysts at LexisNexis who found that, when vehicle owners switch from gasoline-powered cars to electric cars, they tend to crash more. Drivers also tend to crash somewhat more when switching to gas-powered vehicles, too, but the increase is more pronounced with EVs. The increase in incidents is highest during the first year or so after drivers get the new electric vehicle, but then tapers off after that, according to LexisNexis, presumably as people get used to driving the new model. There is much less of a problem when a driver changes from a gasoline-powered vehicle to another gas-powered one, they found. But LexisNexis researchers had previously noticed similar trends in China, where there are many more EVs – including more that aren’t Teslas. Crashes are even more frequent in households with both a gas and an electric model, indicating that regularly switching from one to another exacerbates the issues. And the fact that crash frequency lessens with time also suggests that unfamiliarity has something to do with it, said Xiaohui Lu, head of EV research at LexisNexis Risk Solutions,

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay, so Tesla had the highest rate, but switching power train types seems problematic. It didn't really say if other EVs are close to Tesla's accident rates, or am I missing something?

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have not found an article that breaks down other EV since there are few of them and lumped in with brand as a whole.

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/new-report-finds-tesla-drivers-are-the-most-accident-prone

You’ll see ram and Subaru are comparable to tesla

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In any case, I think we can dispel the myth that Tesla is one of the safest cars. They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can't keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving

You need the study to clarify that. Oddly the first article says accidents but when you see how it’s defined, tickets such as spending are called an accident

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They give 2 statistics, accidents and incidents. Accidents are crashes, incidents are crashes plus tickets.

Tesla has most accidents per driver. Ram has the most incidents - the report you mention. Tesla has the second most incidents.

So, Teslas still top the number is accidents. Agree, we would need a study to figure out if Tesla driving assist suite is either incompetent at driver safety or malignant to driver safety. Perhaps this lawsuit will shed some light on it.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The driver assist is pretty damn good. It’s so good many people trust it to much. They’ll read email. Crawl in the back seat. You can go to Amazon and buy things to make it seems like your hands are on the wheel. Now the article did say EV are more likely to be read ended. I do wonder if that’s because of the phantom breaking.

[–] machinin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It’s so good many people trust it to much.

That's the malignant part I mentioned. They trust it too much and end up running into a first responder, motorcycle or kid getting off a school bus. The aviation industry and many other industries have extensive knowledge how to avoid this very problem. Most other car companies implement systems to avoid it. Tesla just doesn't really care that much.

My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don't know if it is still an issue.

By the way, I'm not downvoting you here.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.

I haven’t had an issue with it for over a year but according to others it’s still a real issue. The car will just slam on the breaks for some odd reason. I don’t want to say no reason because the car thinks there is a valid reason but there isn’t. I’m more likely to have the issue on a sunny day, by a bridge when I’m the only car in front of me.

Since I’m a conservative, I have many fans who follow me around and downvote anything I say. It’s sad they think that gives them power over me or that I care.

As long as someone is having a discussion. They’ll never get a downvote from me.