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Nothing inside a video game should cost real money.
The entire business model is an abuse. Only legislation will stop it. You were never going to shop your way out of it - it is the dominant strategy. If we allow it to continue, there will be nothing else.
I'm still not going to glibly endorse the actions of a dictatorship doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons. It is horrific that this human-rights black hole has such an influence on global industries, simply by dictating what its people are allowed to enjoy.
Honestly, I think it's a good tool for parents (that cares) teach good financial habits from early age. It might even teach parents themselves better financial habits cause a lot of our economics are based on impulse buying behavior. (whether the impulse is generated by superficial, seasonal, compare to Jones, sales and promotions, government rebates, etc. )
If we follow the train of thoughts and going backwards, any "feel good" purchases should not exist and it's an abuse to the consumer. ie. why should you buy a game the torture you for hours with difficult bosses, put you through lots of stress, agony, twisted plots that might make you cry or angry and then you get absolutely nothing you can hold on to except for those "experience" itself. Your console breaks, disk scratched, save file lost, etc and everything would be gone except whatever that's left in your memory.
Why do you buy [insert brand name] shirts, tie, shoes, jacket, blah? This literally extends everywhere.
Let those gacha, impossibly time limited events, all be life lessons. You simply can't get everything, your time and resource are limited, it take special kind of people and dedication(both mentally, physically and financially) to get what they can do. You can't be lucky enough to be a billionaire heir or oil princess? well, too bad, learn to accept reality, just like learning not everyone can make the cut to sports pro-league even if they dedicated their life training for it, genetics decides a lot of factors for that, same for e-sports.
If you can't even bother to teach your children those, well, maybe it's also hard to ask you to review your life decisions.
Once my son is old enough to do basic financial decisions with allowance, I will just let him decide if he wants to use that to buy snacks he liked or whatever in-game currency he wanted. Just like we can't all afford a Ferrari or [insert expensive car], we compromise and make decisions to make us survive and then be happy enough to keep going.
This is like teaching a child responsible drinking by giving him a handle of vodka a month at 12.
There are much worse real life scam traps than the couple dozen or hundreds dollars worth of mtx (if your kid has that much allowance on their device.)
If he only have 20 a month he would have to come up with strategy to get what he wanted and then if he wants extra he has to work for it.
Your analogy would be like give your kid access to your bank accounts and CC without check. Learning opportunity cost without limited resource is a poor example.
These are designed to be addictive. You would be getting your child addicted to these loops early, grinding in that mentality early, and letting them loose into adulthood.
Its microdosing them on gambling meth.
I'd rather they share with me that experience and guide them compare to let them run into that much later in life while I was not around, make sense? If I can catch my kid that are actually have that addictive trait, I need to find out early and find therapy to help them building that mental wall or setup actual social/economical fence early on.(like register them to the blacklist from casinos etc so they get turned away even if they tried.)
Please don't compare bad spending decision to hard drug that permanently alter your brain chemicals/pathing.
Gambling addictions are literally identical to the effects of a hard drug permanently altering your neurological pathing and brain chemistry. Take a psychology 101 class.
Thats why its called a gambling addiction.
Thats why there are a fuck load of laws around gambling.
Thats why lots of people want it against the law to put in video games.
Thats why literally everyone of sound mind is telling you that this is a horrid thing to do to a child
Getting a child addicted is not the way to try and find out if they have an addictive personality.
Who said I want to get child to have gambling addiction?
Do you know not everyone expose to gambling will become addict?
Do you even know how that type of addiction works?
Do you even read and see if I find out early that if my child has that trait we can identify that from these early behaviors? (like blowing all the allowance and can not stop themselves and tries to stole CC/lie etc to just get another box open.)
Are you the type of person thinking not exposing this one thing will prevent you from other types of addiction or exploits?
Compare to hard drug that chemically changes and damage the brain and slower process where brain chemical that works themselves because of the reward stimulation is entirely different for those gambling addict prone is totally different. You are talking about the brain "response" to the stimuli, not the cause and how they form that feedback loops.
Not everyone is going to become gambling addict by opening a few loot box, or buy cosmetics. The fact that I can participate and observe how they work with "not getting what they wanted" if they get a gacha egg at mall or lootbox in a game is very cost efficient tool, Heck, you don't even need actual currency like mall gacha eggs, plenty of mobile game gives you virtual currency to do the virtual gachas or funnel you to do more of those until you are hooked.(see Pokemom Go)
And, I do not mind restriction and even encourage that there should be laws around those chance based things for both adult and minors. Because we do need those to help those that are prone and can become addict to have something that help them identify that and help them toward therapy. Virtual game gacha/lootbox is probably the lowest cost compare to any other real life addiction for detecting those personal traits.
Last and one more time, catch it early while they have full trust in me and work with therapy is going to cost 100x less then wall them up until they are 18 and then send them to the wild on their own. What kind of sick person trying to get their own kid become an addict? Which part of my post says I want to get my kids addict? What study supports your claim that if a child expose to lootbox and then they become untreatable when you identify the trait?
Do you realize that gacha eggs/capsules exists for more than 50 years? How many gacha eggs addicts you see everyday or in the study? Like I saw those when I am so small and my grandma's place still burn wood to heat water and cooking.
Show me any other more cost efficient way to trigger and identify that personality trait compare to a virtual game.
This massive meltdown over being told not to dose your kid on systems specifically designed by hired psychologist consultants to be as addictive as possible would be so funny if I wasnt sure you were actually going to get a real human addicted to gambling
Do you know what's a distribution? There are no system in the world a fucking psychology Richard Feynman equivalent can pull to make everyone that touched it become an lootbox addict. (or whatever addict you'd like to call it. )
It's not a melt down because it's so hilariously bad I offer a challenge to let you show me "any" reputable publication that stats what you claimed with certain co-relation. In these categories:
And, can I guess before hand? You have none of relevant qualification to make those claims, right? If this is r/science and I am wrong I will be slapped with pages worth of links by now. Go ahead, try educate this fellow stupid old man.
Youre gonna be such an abusive parent, fucking lol
You can google this shit, bud, china literally just banned these systems from games in their country because of how they are designed.
You can also google literally anything about gambling addictions.
Unfortunate that theres nothing stopping the future abuse of your kid
Such poor display of integrity eh? Who has the burden to show stuff backing their claims? Right, the person that make the claims.
China does China shit to make Xi look nice and cause a stock market dip and then "might" loosen up the regulation. Unlike you, I include source:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-regulator-earnestly-study-public-concerns-over-draft-video-gaming-rules-2023-12-23/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/23/china-considers-revising-gaming-rules-after-tech-giants-lose-billions
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-25/china-is-softening-stance-on-gaming-after-80-billion-rout
It's the same strategy politicians used here, it's the same type of thought process to trigger down vote without using brain cell to process we see here: "Think of the children, XXXX is bad."
Yes, I did, long before this news articles, before I even have kids. As neuroscience is part of my core interests. I don't religiously read or follow publications, not in that industry, but those related that posted on reddit or show up in my science curated youtube feed(which recently gone to shit because of generative contents) I just like to check and read about them. I saw nothing like you guys claimed. You have to show me otherwise to back up your claim. Or change topic like others and say this is abuse.
Yes, there is, it's called knowledge and understand the mechanics. Remember the experiment that nice well people can just "follow the order" and torture their subject? If you are not aware, you may learn something new today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Oh, and abuse means you are in a position where the victim can't or don't know how to say no to your malpractice. My kid tells me to stop humming all the time cause his youtube music stuck in my head and I have obliged every time he said so, you know, trust building from young that he can refuse and stop things he doesn't like.
Im not providing sources because we both know that the time would be wasted. You dont want real sources, and youre going to abuse your kid regardless.
If I thought showing you facts mattered, maybe I would go through the effort of writing yet another college dissertation on the addictive designs of modern gaming through a psychologists lens.
But you know you dont care. A literal governement entity found enough evidence do enact laws to stop this and you brushed it off with some racist hand waving. Facts wont stop your abusive behavior.
Especially with logic like "I cant be abusing my kids, they tell me to stop humming sometimes"
A person said something does not mean it's "facts", I am actually asking you to show me "the" facts, which you dodge and refused. Does that mean you just claim something baseless as facts? That falls under the category of misinformation.
Well, let's stop right here, I am gonna assume I missed something, would you care enough and point me to an article that have links to such "evidence"? You are making a claim again that I didn't read anywhere, potentially missed or forgotten. Or are you suggesting that there must be some evidence to back this decision, without actually know if it exist or not? Does that mean the banning of abortion also have some "evidence" to support it? As they must be passed by a government entity.
AND, back to the topic, did you even read the links I provided? It literally says they will reconsider the terms and seek public comments, from a authoritarian government making a billions blunder announcement. They have did this so many times and back paddles because of the damage it did in the past as well. So are you saying they are caving because of billionaire pressure? Of all people but Xi? Dang, wouldn't that be hilarious? A communist dictator with science backed evidence caved under capitalist demands? WOW, look at that, such a lose of face and I hope the institute that suggest such idea and allow the announcement still exists next year.
Sorry I am enjoying this good laugh a bit much.
I care enough to keep wasting my time typing back, even though I know you don't have the integrity to find such article/publication to back you claims.
Oh nice, now you dont think china exists if I dont link you a google search. You need evidence that the country and people you just made racist comments about exists?
That makes your further racist comments kinda awkward, but Im not expecting consistency from someone trying to get his child addicted to gambling.