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Biden really, really doesn’t want China to flood the US with cheap EVs (www.theverge.com)

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You're literally just talking to yourself,

They responded

ignoring any mention of selling below cost, which is the biggest issue,

Adressed twice.

Suggesting subsidies should be given to American EV manufacturers
Investing to lower costs.

with spyware being a close 2nd.

You think US products won't have spyware?

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They responded

You're saying "they", but it's you. And no you didn't, repeating what you said before isn't addressing the issues.

Adressed twice.

Never addressed at all, you pivoted to the oil industry. You didn't address the subsidies from China or the unfair trade practices.

America will not subsidize to that level, if they could, and no amount of innovation is going to combat subsidization or the unfair trade practices.

According to a Bloomberg article, China will sell EVs at under $10,000, undercutting the price of the average American EV by $50,000. Are you seriously arguing that "investment to lower cost" will reduce the cost by 85-90%? That's simply a ludicrous assertion.

You think US products won't have spyware?

I don't think that collecting anonymized usage data, is the same as unlimited spying going back to an authoritarian government. So no, absolutely nothing comparable.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're saying "they", but it's you.

If you respond then I'm not talking to myself.

Never addressed at all, you pivoted to the oil industry.

Directly answering a question is not pivoting. You asked if I knew about producing below cost. Yes, there are lots of examples of subsidies in the oil industry.

You didn't address the subsidies from China or the unfair trade practices.

I did. Twice.

America will not subsidize to that level

Course it could. Have you seen the defense budget? Take some of that.

no amount of innovation is going to combat subsidization. Are you seriously arguing that "investment to lower cost" will reduce the cost by 85-90%?

I said the solution was subsidies and innovation.

I don't think that collecting anonymized usage data,

Are you certain it is anonymous?

is the same as unlimited spying going back to an authoritarian government.

America is already an authoritarian government. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/03/08/what-we-know-about-car-hacking-the-cia-and-those-wikileaks-claims/

[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, everything you have said is dishonest and/or disingenuous. The idea that the price of the vehicle is going to be reduced by 90% as a result of subsidies and innovation is both stupid and dishonest. You should also look up the definition of authoritarian.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Honestly, everything you have said is dishonest and/or disingenuous.

Nope. Dishonest would be failing to recognise the legacy auto industry's failure to invest sufficiently in EVs and related infrastructure. A disingenuous person would try to argue purely with xenophobia.

The idea that the price of the vehicle is going to be reduced by 90% as a result of subsidies and innovation is both stupid and dishonest.

Isn't that exactly what you are claiming the Chinese are doing?

You should also look up the definition of authoritarian.

You should take a good look at American justice and law enforcement.