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[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This you?

What the hell is the even supposed to mean? By saying that a group of people I never even claimed to be a part of aren't necessarily white supremacists, I'm somehow feeling attacked? You know, if somebody were to say all Germans are as bad as Hitler, I would argue with them. That doesn't mean I personally felt attacked and thought I was being compared to Hitler. You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.

You know overt white supremacism?

Irrelevant. Overt, subtle, it doesn't matter. You're calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racist—and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.

You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Remember… at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.

I did not turn reactionary at the mere mention of the term. I turned reactionary at you heavily implying that I am one, you fucking ass. And no, the distinction between that and actually calling me one is irrelevant. But go ahead and play your little holier than thou act. I hope you're at least fooling yourself, because you're certainly not fooling anybody else.

You feel attacked because...

See above.

I’m going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to “distance” yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you don’t want people to associate your whiteness with his.

Uh, no. It's telling that you're so obsessed with the color of my skin, but I actually don't give a fuck about this man or that we share a similar shade of skin. Maybe you should look at yourself in a mirror instead of projecting your racism onto others. If I wish to distance myself from him, it's due to his politics and shitty views, not because of his skin color. Just like I'd like to distance myself from Hitler or Stalin. Or you, for that matter. I'm sure you know what I think better than I do, though, so please, why don't you go ahead and tell me how wrong I am about my own thoughts on the matter? Maybe if you keep it up long enough, you'll finally wonder why it's getting hard to breathe and notice that you've got your own dick shoved 3 inches down your throat!

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.

Riiight... you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?

You’re calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racist—and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.

Ooooh... and that would be such a terrible thing, right? You were born into a fundamentally white supremacist society, so it's perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldn't possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right? After all... it's all about your personal feels on the matter, correct? I guess this fundamentally white supremacist society must have remained so through sheer coincidence, right?

You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacism's roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attack... but you may want to start looking into it - the roots of white supremacism isn't going to remain a secret much longer.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Riiight… you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?

You know, you keep saying this, but until you directly attacked my character, I was completely unmoved by your comment. I didn't give a shit about you and was just lightly disagreeing with you in my original comment. Maybe you should go back and re-read this full comment chain because I literally have zero fucking clue where you're getting this idea from. I'd like to see you point out, with the full context, where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.

Ooooh… and that would be such a terrible thing, right?

Correct.

so it’s perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldn’t possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right?

Did I say that? Are you actually obtuse or did you just miss the bit where I said this:

When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that it’s coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfect...

Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because I'm white. That is, quite literally, racist.

You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacism’s roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attack…

Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color. I REPEAT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT BEING WHITE. I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU THINK I DO. Seriously, for the love of god, pull your dick out of your mouth and take a deep breath. I think the lack of oxygen going to your brain is getting to you. And then maybe you can actually try listening to me. The thing that I took as an attack was you heavily implying that I'm racist. You know, an attack. Go ahead though, keep ignoring me when I tell you this. That dick ain't gonna suck itself.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago

but until you directly attacked my character,

Which part of...

This is not some “personal failing” on your part

...are you having a hard time understanding? White supremacism has nothing to do with your character, genius.

where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.

We literally have a term for this, you know... it's called having a reactionary fit. And yours is going no different than all the others I've witnessed over the years. I've witnessed it so many times that I do believe it's unavoidable.

Correct.

Why? Why is it such a terrible thing to admit that white supremacism is bigger than you and your personal feels about it? Why is it so difficult to admit that literally growing up in a fundamentally white supremacist society has, by design, not equipped you to view the world through a lens that isn't white supremacist?

I realize my fault and try to do better.

"Do better" at what? Being a "good white?" There's no such thing... there is just white. Caucasity. It all flows from the same place - the whole point of white is white supremacism. It serves absolutely no purpose otherwise.

And how are you "doing better" when you get all reactionary when somene asks you to explain why you even have all this privilege in the first place? It's almost as if you don't really want to know... perhaps because the whole reason you have it is actually closely linked to the very reason the Rittenhouses of this world act the way they do?

Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because I’m white.

Appealing to "reverse racism" is not going to work for you here - that only works on liberals.

Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color.

Then prove it. Detach yourself from whiteness long enough so that you can actually observe what it is we are talking about from the outside. You know... the exact opposite from what you've been doing up until now?