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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 282 points 5 months ago (36 children)

Lol. This is the party they want to replace 'genocide joe' with. Well done, kids!

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 87 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Yes but see, if we just sit on our hands and don't vote we won't have any responsibility for what follows! Only voting for someone who is less than ideal on this issue is a morally bad choice!

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I totally understand the point most of them are trying to make and agree with the sentiment, but they're fucking morons. 100% absolute jibbering idiots.

This is an ugly binary choice here because the United States electoral system is a steaming pile of horse shit. Do what I, your friendly neighborhood lefty, am doing and swallow your pride and vote for center right Joe Biden because he's leagues better than the dementia-addled, fascist Cheeto Benito. Then take all the disgust you've built up by voting for and living with another neoliberal corporate shill presidency and work your ass off to make sure we don't have to keep voting between Dumb and Dumber every fucking election.

Do it because we'll only be gently tiptoeing to the right under a Biden presidency, so it's less likely you'll end up in jail for discussing the "wrong" political ideology while that orange shitstained merkin would have me in jail just for writing this were it up to him. Don't make it up to him.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (29 children)

Every time I encounter the "don't vote" brigade, my first thought is that it's a Russian or Chinese troll trying to get Trump elected again.

My second thought, which is a bit more nuanced, is some introspection on what Biden is actually doing. He has three options with regards to Israel, none of them good.

  1. He could deny them weapons, which would inevitably lead to outright war with Iran and an increase in Russian influence in the region, as well as a loss of an ally.
  2. He could fully commit to Netanyahu's madness (i.e., what Trump wants to do), fully empowering genocide while using no political leverage on Israel. This would also ultimately lead to broad regional warfare, which will also likely increase Russian influence in the region.
  3. He could try to limit the damage by imposing conditions on weapons sales and attempt to thread the needle, recognizing Hamas for the grotesque terrorist organization it is while using political pressure to prevent as much needless death of civilians as possible. This is what Biden is trying to do.

I don't know that Biden is doing a very good job with #3, but #1 would be a catastrophe, and #2 is what Trump wants.

This is a shitty situation in every conceivable way. Our ally, Israel, is currently being run by a corrupt and genocidal freak. There are no good answers to a situation like that beyond Israel coming to its senses and throwing Netanyahu in prison. But there are plenty of really bad answers, and Trump would be the worst.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

This post is fully accurate.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I just want to say that there's probably a large contingent of kids who are happy doing nothing because they're not happy with the choices, while the conservatives proceed and reelect that orange turd back into office. If you're American, vote like your libertt depends on it, because it likely does.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would like to solve your trolley problem with multi track drifting please

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

That's only worked a handful of times, long ago.

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[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 63 points 5 months ago (17 children)

I'm gonna vote for Biden if I have to rise from the dead and crawl through broken glass to do so, and I hope everyone reading this thread does.

I'm not willing to pretend he's not facilitating an ongoing genocide though.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Truth. Unfortunately. Brandon 2024.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not.

I'm not American nor in the US.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not really. I'm in Northern Ireland and my vote does fuck all to affect who's elected UK Prime Minister. The current governing party runs candidates here but they've never won a seat and their closest competitors don't run any candidates at all here. Never mind I live in a stronghold seat so it won't change anyway.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

This. You deal with the choice in front of you, and not the ones you wish you had. Life is bigger than our little worlds.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (6 children)
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Oh get out of here with your facts. The kids are having a circlejerk. They weren't born at the time. They can't be expected to know these things.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

This is the faction a lot of our elected leaders think should be 'strong'.

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