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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 68 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I thought that all that pride in their Katanas was invented and revisionistic after gunpowder came to Japan and they actually took way more pride in their skills with a bow.

If you bragged about your skills with a Katana in feudal Japan, you kind of admitted that your archery skills are shit.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Bows and spears get the work done, swords are mostly for show.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 months ago

Swords were mainly for the generals and other higher up officers, since they require way more metal and thus were way more expensive.

So yes, mostly for show because those higher ups rarely went into battle themselves.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It's rather that trained skills in general (with a bow, a sword, a musical instrument) were important.

Can't help thinking that with my particular set of disorders growing up in such a society (not as a peasant, God forbid) could be advantageous.

And shooting an arrow from a composite bow is much more of a "moment of art" thing than waving a big knife around, so.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Just to nit-pick, the Japanese never really figured out how to produce composite bows, the Yumi was just laminated bamboo. It was one of the reasons they couldn't successfully invade Korea until they were given western tech.

It's kinda ironic nowadays, but prior to the meiji restoration Japan was considered a cultural and technological backwater.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The mountainous island with no metal? The one that shut itself off for three centuries? Technologically limited? Perish the thought.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

You have just been disavowed by the university of Tokyo for revising revisionism. You can't just go around attempting to dispel over 400 years of self aggrandizing, it's just rude.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago

A glitch in my memory.

I know.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And shooting an arrow from a composite bow is much more of a "moment of art" thing than waving a big knife around, so.

I think you're underestimating martial arts with swords.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 months ago

I've been interested in those. Sending an arrow is one moment. Swords are like a game or a dance.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s rather that trained skills in general (with a bow, a sword, a musical instrument) were important.

Finally, I can defeat the enemy with my elite Shamisen skillz.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

I meant as an art, as a hobby, as a sport, as a component of status.

That said, the brain stimulation from playing can help you with that too.

[–] TassieTosser@aussie.zone 3 points 5 months ago

Pride in katana was during the Edo period when the samurai were relegated to being government officials and they used swords for duelling.