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Framework boosts its 13-inch laptop with new CPUs, lower prices, and better screens (arstechnica.com)

submitted 5 months ago by Xatolos@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] iopq@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tensor cores can be used to play chess, generate images, do realistic text to speech, do noise cancellation, content-aware fill, etc.

They are only useless to you and other people with no imagination

[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Chess engines have outplayed humans for thirty years, and they didn't need teraflops of computing power to do it.

Generative AI is actively harmful to the environment, slowing the phase-out of coal in the US and guzzling billions of gallons of water. It's likely going to kill jobs and it's already filling the internet and the academic world with garbage. It's also likely a bubble that will burst before long, potentially bringing the economy down with it.

I'll give you noise cancellation and text-to-speech, that's pretty cool.

But personally, I'd rather have more CUDA cores.

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

That middle paragraph is very misleading. It's Generative AI as a service that is actively harmful to the environment. Having a 15 W chip to do tasks like erasing objects from a photo is not any more harmful to the environment than a GPU that uses 15W. In fact, NPUs can be more efficient at some tasks than GPUs.

The problem is opening your phone/browser, and being able to call on demand GPT-4 to wake up a cluster of 128 Nvidia A100s operating at around 300-400W each. That's 51.2 kW.

Now you can draw some positives and negatives from that figure, such as

Given that an iPhone 15 Pro's A17 has a thermal design power of 8 W, GPT-4 on the server is about 6400 more energy intensive than anything you can do on an iPhone. 10 seconds of GPT need a similar amount of energy to an iPhone 15 Pro operating flat out at maximum power for 18 hours. Now in those 10 seconds, OpenAI says they "handle multiple user queries simultaneously", but still - we're feeding the machine.
51.2 kW is also roughly how much power a large SUV needs to roll at constant speed on a motorway. Each of those large clusters uses a similar amount of energy to a single 7-seater SUV, but serving many users at the same time. Plus unlike cars, a large portion of their energy usage comes from renewables. So yes, I agree that it's a significant impact but largely overrepresented and we have bigger fish to fry; personal transport is a way bigger issue.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

I don't need to outplay humans, I need to see the optimal line to analyze it. Chess is still not solved, so Leela Zero is still helpful because it's giving better advice than older engines. Even Stockfish went neural network, but a smaller one that reads deeper. They still can't tell us if the game from the start ends in a draw like checkers.

Killing jobs is good. It's already freeing people from having to write things like promotional emails. Maybe they are sad they don't have a job anymore, but unemployment if 4%, hardly difficult to get a different one. It's not an important job anyway, I wouldn't feel creative to write about a labor day sale or whatever