The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The US state department doesn't decide which countries own or control which territory, now does it? How exactly can you say territory you don't control (neither legally nor militarily) and likely will never control is part of your own country? Furthermore, why would the US risk ruining trade relations with China over unnecessarily pointing out reality, when it doesn't benefit the US to recognize Taiwanese independence?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago

the us has literally asserted taiwan is part of china for decades now.

under the kissinger term, no less.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is also the position of the UN, and vast majority of countries in the world. Taiwan is part of China, get over it.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'll say it again: Why would countries risk ruining trade relations with China, one of the three most important trade powers internationally, over unnecessarily pointing out reality and thus contradicting China? And how can you seriously say territory a country doesn't control in any capacity at all theirs? Why do you think a majority of world powers are independently trading with Taiwan if Taiwan isn't independent from China?

Don't you think China would, you know, not be constantly complaining about not having control over Taiwan for the past few decades and making bluffs about invading if Taiwan were already part of China? That's a pretty obvious sign that "no, China doesn't own Taiwan in any capacity".

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

What you're doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that's recognized by international law. It's really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want. However, they realize that it's much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that's what will happen. It's incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.

edit: I aboslutely love how utterly enraged lemmy radlibs get when faced with reality

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

What you're doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that's recognized by international law.

Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn't mean it's "international law" that Taiwan isn't independent.

It's really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want.

LMAO this is such a cope. Yeah I'm sure the extremely aggressive all-bark-no-bite and constant "you better not do <x diplomacy with Taiwan or military action in Taiwanese strait/South China Sea> again or we'll do something about it, I swear!" empire is suuuper capable of taking Taiwan. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it's why they're trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.

However, they realize that it's much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that's what will happen.

Again, absolute cope. They've been at it for over 75 years and haven't made any progress, considering Taiwanese have developed significantly more national identity and even more people in Taiwan support the country participating in international relations under the name "Taiwan" (80%) and consider themselves primarily Taiwanese (90%), and only 6% consider themselves more Chinese than Taiwanese (more people considered themselves primarily Chinese many decades ago but that has long since dwindled).

It's incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.

It's incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to "peacefully" absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.

Several polls have indicated an increase in support of Taiwanese independence in the three decades after 1990. In a Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation poll conducted in June 2020, 54% of respondents supported de jure independence for Taiwan, 23.4% preferred maintaining the status quo, 12.5% favored unification with China, and 10% did not hold any particular view on the matter. This represented the highest level of support for Taiwanese independence since the survey was first conducted in 1991. A later TPOF poll in 2022 showed similar results.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn’t mean it’s “international law” that Taiwan isn’t independent.

I think you just told us that about yourself.

LMAO this is such a cope.

Proceeds to write a bunch of cope. 😂

. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it’s why they’re trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.

You losers can't even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China. The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂

Again, absolute cope.

read and weep ignoramus https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4657439-china-doesnt-need-to-invade-to-achieve-taiwanese-unification/

It’s incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to “peacefully” absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.

You're like the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo, and very few people want independence, but do go on child https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'll keep this short since you already seem extremely unhinged and half the stuff you wrote is basically empty insults.

You losers can't even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China.

Remind me how long that "10-day special operation" is taking again? Seriously, how can the "2nd best military in the world" falter so hard against their tiny neighbour with 1/4 of the population just because they got weapon donations from other countries? It shouldn't be that hard to counter right, I mean Russian military technology is allegedly so advanced and totally not stuck in the 80s. I would understand if it were half-way across the globe or something, but they're LITERALLY ON THEIR DOORSTEP. It's also concerning that China has repeatedly failed Russia when it comes to Ukraine and has caved into international pressure quite a few times, maybe it's because China also realizes that the war is completely embarrassing Russia?

The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂

The US navy has a larger airforce than the entire Chinese airforce, and the US has a larger and more advanced air fleet than the next 5 countries (Russia, China, India, SK, Japan) combined, and invests 3x as much as China into the military (and that's what, 13% of the US' budget?). The US navy also has over 2x the displacement of the Chinese navy. Spending is DEFINITELY not a problem considering that.

read and weep ignoramus https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4657439-china-doesnt-need-to-invade-to-achieve-taiwanese-unification/

Damn, an opinion piece news article. Guess that destroys the entire American military and truly shows that China numba one.

Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo, and very few people want independence, but do go on child https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

I literally said that exact same thing in my original comment, it goes against your point lmao. The status quo is defacto independence and "Taiwan, not China". Notice how unification is by far the least popular response in what you linked, and has decreased in popularity significantly over decades. And of course, gaining independence eventually has increased in popularity over multiple decades. Is this part of China's grand plan, to make unification with them less popular over time?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 months ago

Remind me how long that “10-day special operation” is taking again?

Yes, let me remind you that it's now publicly known that Ukraine was about to make a peace deal within the first couple months. Then the west tanked that deal, and started pumping weapons into Ukraine.

Seriously, how can the “2nd best military in the world” falter so hard against their tiny neighbour with 1/4 of the population just because they got weapon donations from other countries? It shouldn’t be that hard to counter right, I mean Russian military technology is allegedly so advanced and totally not stuck in the 80s. I would understand if it were half-way across the globe or something, but they’re LITERALLY ON THEIR DOORSTEP. It’s also concerning that China has repeatedly failed Russia when it comes to Ukraine and has caved into international pressure quite a few times, maybe it’s because China also realizes that the war is completely embarrassing Russia?

Wow that's a fascinating assessment of the situation. Let's see how it compares with what people with an actual clue have to say https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine

The US navy has a larger airforce than the entire Chinese airforce

Last I checked US lost every one of their war games, but keep going kiddo.

Damn, an opinion piece news article. Guess that destroys the entire American military and truly shows that China numba one.

Maybe you should read up what the American military has to say before making a clown of yourself

https://asiatimes.com/2023/05/war-game-china-hypersonics-sink-us-carrier-every-time/

I literally said that exact same thing in my original comment, it goes against your point lmao.

LMFAO you claimed that people in Taiwan want independence, where actual polling shows that practically nobody wants it. 🤡

[+] Zombie@feddit.uk 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

[deleted]

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

LMAO, China can just blockade the province and the economy there would crash overnight.

The only real metric to determine whether Taiwan is part of China is to ask the people who live there. And guess what, this is what they say:

Yeah, I agree, especially after all the NED sponsored propagandists are kicked out. Meanwhile, even despite US having a massive presence in Taiwanese media, the only reason DPP got in power was using first past the post mechanic.

Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo:

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

[+] Zombie@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

[deleted]

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you honestly think a military blockade is the way to get people on the side of your cause?

I don't think that at all, and that's why China hasn't resorted to this option.

“After all the people I disagree with are got rid of” Do you honestly think that makes you the good guy? Removing political opponents is the methodology of authoritarians.

Entire books have been written explaining in great detail how media is used to manipulate public opinion, and here you are bleating about AuThoRiTarIanS. 🤡

You claim international law on one hand as if it means something and then threaten with the big stick with the other.

Not sure what the contradiction in your mind is of a country enforcing its laws within its borders. You'll have to enlighten us on this fascinating political theory of yours.

Put simply, you’re an asshole.

Put simply, you’re a cheap propagandist without a shred of intellectual honesty.