Yes, all of the Marxists have failed to understand Marx, it is in fact Prunebutt who resurrected Marx and got him to denounce everyone who used his ideas.

That's a deeply silly statement, please explain why you think Lenin misunderstood Marx.

I believe that elected representatives can represent those that elect them if you don't have Capitalism. Saying you can't have that and just saying "no, you're the idealist" is unproductive and goes nowhere.

Material Conditions did improve in Catalonia! Never said they didn't, that's a claim you lied about me saying, though I'll let it slide this time. A lot did work, but a lack of proper organization led to losing to outside pressure.

Again, you claim that you know anything about anarchist and Marxist theory and show time and time again that you don't have the slightest of an idea.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

please explain [...]

No. You've shown that you don't argue in good faith, at least with the paragraph above that request. Good luck with your vanguard strategy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I do argue in good faith, this entire time I have asked you to elaborate and you've ducked and weaved, now that you can't duck anywhere else you run.

Good luck wishing for leftist movement to happen, surely another faithful will make it happen!

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I do argue in good faith

Yes, all of the Marxists have failed to understand Marx, it is in fact *Prunebutt* who resurrected Marx and got him to denounce everyone who used his ideas.

sure you do /s

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Am I not allowed to make a joke? Your point was that since Marx dissavowed some self-proclaimed Marxists during his lifetime, that those that followed him and took on the moniker must also not understand his ideas. You have to admit this is silly and not logically supported, right? That's like saying burgers are chicken sandwiches, because both have meat in buns.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That seems like sarcasm not bad faith, there is a difference.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They misrepresented my point. Enough that I don't care to continue.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Marx denouncing dogmatism meaning Marx hates MLs is a really incorrect point. You'd have to think MLs are dogmatists to believe it.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I didn't claim Marx denounced dogmatism.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

That is what you are referring to though when you talk about Marx not being a Marxist.