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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Satan welcomes all people, from all walks of life, with open arms. God is a bigot who only accepts certain people, if they’re “good enough”. It’s also my understanding that God killed over 2-million people, while satan only killed 10.

Tell me how God loves me unconditionally again?

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

And also God apparently has so much power he could fix everything in this world with little effort. But no, he specifically creates it. God created all there is, including all the bad stuff. Murderers? Rapists? Slave owners? ...? Yep. But, "Do not question God's intentions. He works in mysterious ways."

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And botflies. Don't forget botflies.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

All things dull and ugly,

All creatures short and squat,

All things rude and nasty,

The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,

Each little wasp that stings,

He made their brutish venom.

He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,

All evil great and small,

All things foul and dangerous,

The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,

Each beastly little squid

Who made the spiky urchin?

Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,

All pox both great and small,

Putrid, foul and gangrenous,

The Lord God made them all.

Amen!

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's a great DarkMatter2525 video on this. By valuing "free will" over helping people, he directly favors evil. Man rapes woman, but god doesn't help because "free will". The woman had no "free will" to prevent it. Bad guy gets what he wanted, victim gets trauma.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Like free speech for Nazis, even though they've broken the social contract and don't deserve air.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

He also kills defenseless babies before they can be baptized. And if life begins at conception, why is God pubishing babies by killing them in the womb (aka stillborn)? Why do they deserve to be stuck in purgatory when they are innocent?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If God only accepts certain people, then why did He die for everybody?

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Christ alive this is a loaded ask.

The New Testament was a new promise that was to change god from his old vengeful ways to his new ways.

We don’t do X anymore. We’re now gonna do Y.

Now, why did “he” die for everybody? He didn’t. Jesus was crucified, theoretically (as there is no actual proof of the event, just people talking about it later and that being deemed “good enough”), for treason.

The story is “this time god sacrificed his child for you” as a “ok we’re even now let’s stop and now I’m a good guy” PR campaign.

None of it is real and the points are made up.

[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The belief in a hell or in a Limbo kind of prove that paradise is not for everyone. Depends which dogmas you grew up with, at this point.
About God being sacrificed to himself, it was mainly a way to stop an old tradition of sacrificing goats every year in order to atone for sins. Now people can just say that the Christ already died for that, so they don't have to act like barbarians and kill poor animals. Which is great, to be fair.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The offer is for everyone, people choose whether or not to take Him up on it

[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

"I sell luxury housing for everyone, it's not my fault if some people are poor!"

My brother in christ, YOU made poor people.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago

I recall something in his favourite part of the Bible about rich men, camels, eye of a needle and heaven

Anyone surviving in a major western nation and not living on the streets in a place with no welfare is well rich in terms of camels and needle eyes

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago

Difference is luxury houses cost money, Jesus does not

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Again, depends on the dogma. There are faiths which believe that people who are ignorant of the Gospel, of Jesus, do not get into Heaven.

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-about-those-who-have-never-heard

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

Within our lifetimes, God reveals Himself to us. It's the following of the Holy Spirit which leads us to Jesus. However, it's next to impossible these days for the vast majority of the world's population to not hear about Jesus. God knows everyone's hearts. I think this video explains it well. However, basically everyone who has access to the comment I made and this forum has access to the Gospel. It is very much a free offering. It's also worth realising that missionary work is also important, and there's a reason why I want people to have another chance to hear about Jesus

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Catholic dogma (which pre-dates whatever you follow) says unbaptised babies aren't qualified for heaven, and believers have surreptitiously baptised babies and children of non-Christian background. What good deity punishes or rewards someone for the actions of others?

What good deity punishes people for not reaching an age where they might be baptised? Especially when the dead baby is dead thanks to His ineffable plan

What good deity punishes people born before their invention for not knowing about them?

What good deity punishes people for being born in a country where that deity is unpopular

But I'm sure your version is softened so good people all get heaven.

Judaism says you have to be of one of the Jewish tribes. And that pre-dates all Christianity.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good thing the Catholics are wrong, then

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just like everyone else. But also how would you possibly know?

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 5 months ago

Because the Bible doesn't mention water Baptism as being a strict requirement for salvation. Such as the thief on the cross. Catholics also hold other unbiblical beliefs such as purgatory, indulgences, masses for the dead, papal infallibility, etc