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I have tried Linux as a DD on and off for years but about a year ago I decided to commit to it no matter the cost. First with Mint, then Ubuntu and a few others sprinkled in briefly. Both are "mainstream" "beginner friendly" distros, right? I don't want anything too advanced, right?

Well, ubuntu recently updated and it broke my second monitor (Ubuntu detected it but the monitor had "no signal"). After trying to fix it for a week, I decided to wipe it and reinstall. No luck. I tried a few other distros that had the same issue and I started to wonder if it was a hardware issue but I tried a Windows PC and the monitor worked no problem.

Finally, just to see what would happen I tried a distro very very different than what I'm used to: Fedora (Kinoite). And not only did everything "just work" flawlessly, but it's so much faster and more polished than I ever knew Linux to be!

Credit where it's due, a lot of the polish is due to KDE plasma. I'd never strayed from Gnome because I'm not an expert and people recommend GNOME to Linux newbies because it's "simple" and "customizable" but WOW is KDE SO MUCH SIMPLER AND STILL CUSTOMIZEABLE. Gnome is only "simple" in that it doesn't allow you to do much via the GUI. With Fedora Kinode I think I needed to use the terminal maybe once during setup? With other distros I was constantly needed to use the terminal (yes its helped me learn Linux but that curve is STEEP).

The atomic updates are fantastic too. I have not crashed once in the two weeks of setup whereas before I would have a crash maybe 1-2 times per week.

I am FULLY prepared for the responses demanding to know what I did to make it crash and telling me how I was using it wrong blah blah blah but let me tell you, if you are experienced with Windows but want to learn Linux and getting frustrated by all the "beginner" distros that get recommended, do yourself a favor and try Fedora Kinoite!

edit: i am DYING at the number of "you're using it wrong" comments here. never change people.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Is it because Fedora is usually considered bleeding edge?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is it because Fedora is usually considered bleeding edge?

That was literally more than 10 years ago.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] jack@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t use Fedora, so I believe you.

[–] jack@monero.town 1 points 4 months ago

Here's another comment with more detail

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe GNOME got more stable... but the non LTS kernels often cause issues, and KDE is currently unstable again (while it worked perfectly on Plasma 6.0)

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

the non LTS kernels often cause issues

In 10 years of using Fedora (granted: my current main Linux system is SteamOS but I do have hardware running Fedora as well but with Gnome as desktop in that case) I once had a kernel-related bug, IIRC involving some fairly new AMD hardware.

KDE is currently unstable again (while it worked perfectly on Plasma 6.0)

Unless you'd be so kind to point me to a direction that showed that your instability is because of Fedora and not some bug that suck into Plasma 6.1, you'd have the same bug under any other distribution with Plasma 6.1.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fedora simply takes what KDE offers, and the whole VRR etc. additions seem to cause tons of bugs.

Already reported, not sure how helpful.

But being the first to implement KDE releases... is problematic.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fedora simply takes what KDE offers, and the whole VRR etc. additions seem to cause tons of bugs.

Like any other distribution with KDE software.

But being the first to implement KDE releases… is problematic.

That comment makes little sense. Someone has to be the first. It's impossible for everyone to wait. Also waiting forever means that existing users are stuck with old bugs because the update is not coming out. The first Plasma 6.1 update has been released yesterday. Don't think Fedora users will have to wait forever for this.

Btw, Plasma is not the default desktop of Fedora. OP mentioned it but OP also talks about noobs who should stick to defaults anyway and also not make experiments with Atomic editions either.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 months ago

Like any other distribution with KDE software.

Kubuntu deviates from upstream, which is problematic but shows that it can be done differently.

Someone has to be the first.

Arch unstable, Fedora Rawhide, Debian Testing...

The first Plasma 6.1 update has been released yesterday.

I think I have it since a few days on Kinoite?

Plasma is not the default desktop of Fedora.

Not yet, but a close second.

noobs who should stick to defaults anyway and also not make experiments with Atomic editions either.

Noobs should absolutely use atomic editions. Totally. Every bad behavior should just break so they dont mess up.

The system is resettable which is so valuable. It has transparent changes. It has integrated backups.

But taking Fedoras defaults is difficult, as Fedora Flatpaks and Toolbox are not really great.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it might be easy to install but you are also a beta tester of things that will be in more stable distros two years from now.

But with that said, I love Fedora, but with Gnome. I use Nobara for the gaming simplicity but with the vanilla Gnome spin. I'd recommend it to anyone, most Linux distros these days are pretty user friendly once installed.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you are also a beta tester of things

Huh? Fedora Workstation is built on stable releases, made by people who actually do QA.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Beta is the wrong word, but there is quite a difference in stability between Fedora and Debian.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

there is quite a difference in stability between Fedora and Debian.

Sure but Debian really, REALLY is not a newbie distribution.

[–] Kualk@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Someone explained it to me this way:

If knife is a newest feature, then

  • cutting edge has newest features
  • bleeding edge bleeds from knife cuts, because it doesn’t have the newest features.

Any snapshot distribution by definition is on bleeding edge.

Any rolling release is by definition on the cutting edge.