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Don't pretend there's any difference to yourself in this though. Just different allowed targets.
You have access to whole ass uncensored Web yet I'm certain you don't know shit about siege and ethnic cleansing of Artsakh, while the 3 mediators there were (and formally still are) USA, France and Russia.
And the USA representative publicly said they won't allow ethnic cleansing days before it happened. And, say, in case of Ukraine they well knew months before and were very loud with warnings. And after said ethnic cleansing they immediately started talking the way it became clear that they supported it. And no sanctions have been put on Azerbaijan (which is also a big proxy for Russian strategic exports and imports, but that's unimportant, of course).
So being Armenian I say shut up.
Also no, vast majority of Russians don't support anything such, they are just in apathy because kinda big protests were not successful in changing the government.
I'll add that when those protests were happening, "the West" mostly supported Putin by recognizing his stolen elections, just like they did during Chechen wars and, of course, with opposition to Yeltsin's fascist tendencies. Cause there were lots of money to be made in Russia for politicians making those decisions.
Any such moralizing westerner should go to the frontline and replace some Ukrainian life in the total number of the dead.
I'm sorry, I can’t get past that first paragraph. What “targets” do you think most people are okay with genociding? The fact that you think everyone has a group they’d be fine with wiping off the face of the earth completely is extremely concerning.
I dunno, any of more than a dozen happening right now on this planet with no notable protests or anything in democratic countries and with their governments just doing business as usual with governments perpetrating those.
Where I live it's been 20+ years since a protest changed anything, and now those kinda may get you jailed for an arbitrary amount of years or sent southwest as cannon fodder.
Where you live it's likely different. So.
Why did you say “everyone has a target they are fine with genocide about” then justify it with a lack of protests, and protests not going anything?
You clearly stated something as fact, then went beyond moving the goalpost, playing a completely different game with your justification.
I can’t think of anyone in my communication circle that would ever shrug off genocide. Virtually everyone not taking part in genocide agrees it’s wrong, and anyone trying to justify it or saying “everyone is fine with it to some degree” is extremely suspect.
"Everyone" in natural languages is very close to "the majority".
This was incomprehensible for me and requires clarification.
No, I don't think so. Also don't do that "strict" tone, your logic is not strict and you don't have the authority.
That's usually done by ignoring those you don't care about. How many genocides you and your circle are not shrugging off? You do realize that a 2-digit number of non-sanctioned UN member countries are doing it right now and you are not protesting?
Everyone taking part in one agrees it's wrong as well, and says they are not.
Fascinating assumptions on your part!
You've made an even more fascinating blanket statement against Russians, and it so happens most decent people I know are Russian, living, well, in Russia.
So if it's fine, I'm doing mine.
I never said all russians. That's ridiculous, I personally know several who are good, reasonable people.
Your statements about Ukrainians' thinking on NK/Artsakh seems knowingly provocative and exaggerated.
I think you're trying to stir the pot a bit, because you don't really have anything else to say.
Your comment read differently.
There's nothing exaggerated in it, Ukraine's government is complicit in genocide.
I haven't said anything on Ukrainians in general thinking about it. I mean, plenty of supposed Ukrainians in the Interwebs are complete ghouls on this particular subject, but they are likely bots.
How is Ukraine's government complicit in genocide?
What country do I want to invade and destroy their culture/language/society?
What are you on about?
I am Ukrainian, I live in Ukraine. I've also lived in the russia for 10 years and even to this day have a few russian friends.
Via "support for territorial integrity of Azerbaijan" and such stuff.
Republic of Artsakh, or at least the state representing you does that.
Nothing more than what I said.
Also this isn't too specific to Ukraine, but one can't absolve states from doing such things simply because there are too many others doing the same.
And being one of the strongest ex-Soviet states, it affects the issue quite a lot.
What other states have recognized NK/Artsakh as independent or part of Armenia? What's Armenia take on this specific issue?
I am going by memory, but hasn't Armenia itself not recognized Artsakh as independent and legally they consider it to be part of Azerbaijan? If this is correct, does that mean the Armenian government is also complicit in genocide of Artsakh Armenian, or how does this work? Or did I get this wrong?
Ukraine wants to invade NK/Artsakh? Come on now...
You have a completely wrapped perception of the Ukrainian government's and public's view on NK/Artsakh.
I just hope you just aren't aware of reality and are not wasting my time with this...
How is this relevant? Technically Armenia did in 1991, because Artsakh had a unification referendum (then supported, for example, by the EU), but during the war it kinda backtracked to the position I'm describing further.
Armenia's take can be either that Artsakh is part of it or that it can't represent Artsakh. I mean, that's logical.
QP government has said all kinds of things, but they are not legitimate after 2021 in my opinion.
Armenian government's position was that it recognizes the authority of the OSCE Minsk Group, the principles of resolution of which included mandatory right to self-determination.
So no. What it did was that Artsakh can either be independent or undetermined for all eternity until a solution satisfying all principles is found. It was considered that with 3 nuclear powers as guarantors there won't be more war.
You got it wrong, but since 2020 the Armenian government has said all kinds of things, including such. And yes, it's definitely complicit.
Which doesn't negate the simple fact that Artsakh is in Armenia's declaration of independence as part of it and in its constitution as something it can't recognize as part of Azerbaijan contrary to its right of self-determination.
Didn't say that.
I hope so, but all the official statements suck.
As I said.