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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Downvotes were one of my favorite features of Reddit.

Some stupid shit doesn’t deserve discussion and is best off being shut down.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That’s not how it plays out though that’s my entire point.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For the most part it is how it plays out.

There may be exceptions but the benefits far outweigh the downsides.

Even just lurking on mastodon is frustrating because there is nothing to be done about trolls but engage or ignore and we all know folks can’t help but engage; it’s trolls raison d’être.

I generally assume those complaining about downvotes existing are frustrated trolls.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For the most part it is how it plays out

We seem to be coming to very different conclusions and neither of us is providing a source so lol

I will say this, deplatforming has proven to be consistently the most powerful tool. Down votes do not stop incessant bullshit, only removing the people who do and in the content itself has proven effective.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think Reddit is user-centric enough for deplatforming to be useful.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Deplatforming isn’t just people. This includes removing communities and barring links to certain sites.

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok.

But in regards to downvoting comments that’s not relevant.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s completely relevant. You are arguing that the purpose of down voting is to get rid of the noise/misinformation/dumb stuff/generally unwanted content. I am saying there are better options.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How does any of that help against users who derail discussions with rage-bait or offensive but just this side of bannable comments?

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That’s already a problem. We see that stuff all the time. The only way to stop that behavior is comment/post removals and bans. When have downvotes ever deterred troublemakers?

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

they dont deter them, but they offer a method of pushing them down the conversation so others are less likely to see and engage with them. You can go to any large reddit thread and see a huge pile of vile dross downvoted to oblivion down at the bottom, it definitely works for suppressing (some) trolls. The question is whether the increase in group think and circlejerking is worth it.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that’s nota agree/disagree, that’s filtering for offensive and unwanted content, which you seem convinced only the downvote option can solve and that it does so effectively

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please don't put words in my mouth. I haven't once said that only downvotes can solve it, just that they do offer a level of filtering. The things that you suggested (block people, sites and communities) do not address that unless you get to an extreme level of isolating a community to the point where it is effectively closed.

[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 months ago

I didn’t do anything of the sort, I made an inference. I am happy to admit it was incorrect. But if you want me to only take your words exactly as written then this conversation is about to get way more annoying.