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AFAIK Toyota Yaris doesn't exist as an EV, only Hybrid (and ICE).
Hybrid is not electric, it's not ICE either, that's why it's called Hybrid!
But the Yaris isn't even a proper plugin Hybrid, because it's "self charging" meaning it drives on gasoline that is used to make the electricity to drive. You can't even charge it!!! If you put Gas/Petrol in it to drive, it's not an electric, it's not even a hybrid, it's a gasoline/petrol car!!!
Especially law makers need to get that through their thick heads. And please don't buy the Toyota propaganda.
Self charging needs to be measured as 100% gas/petrol driven cars, because that's what it is.
I agree, but it is a bit more complicated depending on model and drivetrain as well in certain situations.
Some hybrids the electric is an assist that's always there. Other models operate using electric only at lower speeds, then switch to gas for higher speeds and distance driving. In some cities with severe stop and go traffic congestion, that may effectively be an electric vehicle most of the time.
Either way though, for a comparison like this hybrids should be considered their own category, or be included in ICE if just trying to compare EV sales versus traditional sales.
In this case it's a self charging meaning the electricity is 100% generated by an ICE motor. Meaning the driving energy is 100% Gas.
Doesn't matter that the gas energy is used to generate electricity, it's still 100% gas, and can easily be measured as such, and taxed as such.
Plugin Hybrids are a bit different, but are still not electric, and shouldn't enjoy the tax benefits of being electric, and shouldn't be included in stats for electric, because they are not.
It really depends on exactly what you're measuring and what your goals are (and thus, what the law does/should say). Is the goal to reduce the amount of fuel (petrol) used? Then yes, tax incentives should apply via whatever metric you're using. If the goal is to incentivize a switch to a different fuel source, regardless of efficiency, then no.
Many people with plugin hybrids only add gas a few times per year. The (small) battery is enough for them ~95% of the time. For most (but not all) purposes, that would count as an EV. I can see your point about them not being the same, and why it would need to be handled separately, but it feels too absolutist. There are certainly shades of gray in it.
Yes, but as an ICE car, not as an electric, I think most countries have this by now, that cars are taxed lower if their mileage is better. But for electric it's even lower, because they drive on partially renewable energy from the power grid, and they don't pollute in cities. Those factors don't apply for Hybrid cars.
Yes and that's the basis for their tax rebates here, but the research shows that the level of gas used for hybrids is way higher than manufacturers promised. People generally buy hybrid because they have recurring situations where they need the extended range the gas provides. So in general a hybrid is driven quite a lot on gas. If you don't have that need, you might as well buy an electric. Ergo Hybrids should at most receive half the tax rebate IMO. And they should never be counted as electric, because they are not.