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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

cameras do not make random images. you know exactly what you're getting with a photograph. the reason you take multiples is mostly for timing and lighting. also, rolling a hundred dice is not the same as painting something 100 times and picking the best one, nor is it like photographing it. the fact that you're even making this comparison is insane.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

If you know how to use an AI you also know how it's working and what are you going to get, is not random. It's a complex generative algorithm where you put in the initial variables, nothing more.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the AI itself doesn't know what it's doing, neither are you. the fact that you're putting in words to change the outcome until the dice fall somewhat close to where you want them to fall doesn't make it yours. you can't add your own style to it, because you're not doing it.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Please, do not extend your lack of knowledge to me. Thanks.

Also, most traditional artists never develop a style of their own. If you believe that every single artist has its own unique style... You'd be much incorrect. That does not make it less of an artist.

I remember back in the day when lots of people followed the Bob Ross style to do some nice paintings. Luckily you are here to gatekeep them from doing art.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

there's a difference between not having a unique style and physically being unable to have a style because you have next to no input in the process.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Because mixed media does not exist.

Nothing forbid anyone to train an AI with its own drawings in its own style.

Once again, AI is a tool. Like many others used in digital art. It's just a statistically driven generative algorithm. People can use a tool as they please to make art, same as they can use any other tool, and you have not the authority to gatekeep an artist of doing art just because you think their tool, their style, the object or anything about the artist does not fit with your morals.

And they also can, and will, mix it with other tools to produce the piece of art they want to create.

Also all this discussion about "the style(tm)" could be just disproven given the fact that if you weight your variables and use a specific dataset you can generate consistent images in a determined style. And some AI artists does have a representative style due to this... So...

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

again, there are instances, like resampling, depending on the algorithm, where "AI" (misnomer) can be used as a tool.

what people generally mean when they say "AI art" is not that.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm also not referring to resampling. I'm referring to full image generation.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is though.

Your morals does not decide what is it or not a tool. I thought we, as society, had already go through this debate with Religion.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

you keep saying morals; I'm pretty sure you don't know what that means.