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[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (26 children)

I'm more open to burning the whole edifice of copyright law down than you are, but the key reform that I want that maybe we could agree on is that it should be legal to distribute coprighted works for free. No need to to let someone else try to make a profit by undercutting your sales, but if someone is willing to make and distribute copies (or ecopies) of a work to no profit for themselves they should be allowed to. What that would mean in practice if it was legal would be an online content library containing all human art and culture, freely available for download to all comers. It might hurt the income of some creators, but you'd still have a lot of other ways to make money that don't entail depriving people of that library.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (20 children)

Alright but Archiving is already an exception to most laws (clearly not well enforced seeing what happened to the IA) and your proposal would harm new artists who need to share their works in order to gain publicity for something they intend to sell and sustain themselves on.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (12 children)

IA didn't get sued for archiving. They got sued for mass redistribution.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that's a basic function of a publicly operated archive, but for sure there was a lot of nuance.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's the point, though. The law is very clear that mass distributing wholesale copyrighted works isn't fair use. Digitizing it was the part justified by fair use "archival". Distribution isn't.

You have to start over and throw out the old laws. Right now there's no framework to own a file at all (outside of actually holding the copyright). It's always a license.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Throwing them out and restarting is a lot harder than restarting without throwing them out.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The core concept of ownership and copying needs to change if you want anything resembling what IA did to be protected. Because the underlying premise behind copyright legislation that that any unauthorized copy needs a specific exception to be legal, and it's impossible to use digital files without numerous copies.

That's starting from scratch.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Okay but you can literally just overwrite laws without making a period inbetween where anything and everything is allowed. That's fucking stupid.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Where did anyone say anything that resembles "make a free for all in between" in any way?

The core concepts of current laws are completely incompatible with any form of actual ownership in a digital world. You need to write new laws that start from the ground up with concepts that work.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have to start over and throw out the old laws.

You, then.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You should work on your reading comprehension.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You should work on your shit ideology and core values, or if you meant something other than what you explicitly said then you should work on your English writing capability.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your inability to read a straightforward sentence is not my issue.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You have to start over and throw out the old laws.

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