I can deny the importance of human experience (the heat death of the universe will erase all traces of our existence and impact) without wanting to kill humans right now.

How did you conclude the experiences of animals matter?

How do you know animals are having experiences?

How do you know human experiences matter?

I don’t claim to have any answers to the above but I’ve never heard a satisfactory answer to these questions other than ‘I just believe it is so’ and if it boils down to my belief versus your belief I have to conclude that neither one of us actually has any idea.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You should be just as confident that animals are having experiences as you are that your fellow human beings are. They TELL you that they are having experiences. Have you never known an non-human mammal in your life?

If you were emotionally motivated to think of Irish people as not having the same full experience of life and suffering that you do (perhaps they taste good, or perhaps you have a coal mine their children labour in) you will find that you can convince yourself that they don't. You are engaging in a set of obvious psychological defense mechanisms to protect your worldview that lacks any coherent ethical structure against ideas that are ethically consistent.

[–] rekorse@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I dont know why you call it your moral system, when your system apparently is that the earth is supreme, humans dont matter, therefore anything that happens is okay. Morals are a societal thing, if you dont care about society then what's the point?

How do you apply this system to your own actions? Just anything goes cause it doesnt matter?

[–] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

I agree, morals are a societal thing and right now it’s perfectly socially acceptable to eat meat.

How I apply this to my own actions is by conforming to the made up rules of society because that seems to keep me alive.

If I lived in a vegan society and it was not socially acceptable to eat meat I likely wouldn’t.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago

They don't. It's a facile philosophy invented on the spot to avoid thinking rationally about ideas and feelings that they are not prepared to process. It's disingenuous bullshit that we aren't really supposed to engage with, it's just suppose to distract and derail their own thought process. It's fucking pathetic, practically solipsism.