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How would these be causing crashes? The ID.4 has a few cruise control buttons on the left side of the steering wheel. They are push buttons, but you can swipe the speed up or down to change it to the next 5 MPH. The resume button is not capacitive as the article states, you have to push it. Once again, this seems like people not wanting to take responsibility for their own lack of attention while driving and blaming it on the tech in the vehicle.
Wait a minute. There are SWIPE CONTROLS on the steering wheel that adjust the cruise control speed by 5 mph increments? And we don't think that's problematic? I'm either misunderstanding the controls or not sure how that seems like a good idea at all
It’s fine. Making a mountain out of a molehill.
Sure, I totally can't see someone swiping on their steering wheel, say, shuffling across it to... I dunno, turn it? And either jetting forward because they just bumped it from 55 to 75 over the course of a turn, or suddenly slowing, probably without brake lights. Swipe on a steering wheel has got to be the worst car idea I've heard in a while, and I've heard some bad ideas.
Again, unless I'm misunderstanding the controls, which I am open to the possibility of. Please, if this is the case, let me know.
Modern cruise control systems are smart enough to not accelerate in a corner, regardless of what they are set to, and tapping the brake will cancel them.
I don't think this is as much of an issue as you think.
Fine, it won't accelerate in the turn, you're still set higher coming out of it. Now you accelerate in the straight instead of the corner. There's no case in which that's a good or desirable outcome, and it can be easily mitigated by not having these controls so easy to accidentally press.
Cruise control speed changes don’t rapidly accelerate or decelerate the vehicle, much like any vehicle. IMO, if someone is too addled to handle that state change, someone should take their keys from them.
The point is, your car shouldn't be state changing suddenly. It shouldn't be accelerating when you're expecting it to coast or cruise. Unless something is wrong. Which I guess there is, there are capacitive slide inputs on the steering wheel.
This issue is only a couple of levels of abstraction removed from Boeing's mcas system. A poorly implemented feature no one asked for that isn't explained properly. Trained pilots can't react to their planes suddenly operating in a way that they don't expect. You expect a layman in traffic to?
It's easy to decry individual responsibility, and say only the most fit should be able to drive. What about the responsibility to the manufacturer? It's clear enough that there's a design flaw with this system. More drivers need to be aware, but why the hard-on for defending a clearly bad implementation of a feature? What's at stake for you?
Well, ok, how do you feel about Toyota’s or any other manufacturer’s cruise controls being on the wheel, where they almost always are now? It really isn’t that different.
Physical buttons I'm fine with. It's the capacitive/swipe buttons. They're far too easy to accidentally activate, since they only require a touch, and they're in the one spot of your car that you touch the most often.
Critical functions, so things that effect how the car cars, should never be on touch buttons. There is too much wiggle room with them consistently activating when you expect them to. If you want to put non-critical components on touch buttons, so things like radio, AC, locks... Fine. I don't prefer it, but at least you're not creating a hazard. Acceleration, deceleration, steering, braking, and safety should NEVER be on a capacitive sensor.