So fish have nociceptors, and a brain that connects to them, and they avoid painful stimuli. They have analgesic response systems in their brain to dull painful stimuli. Even the most cautious interpetation of misery would include pain, so I would not kill and eat it. Fish display sentience, therefore it is immoral to kill them for pleasure.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe I'm off on this but suffering/misery would include pain + the emotional state of unhappiness or we would just use pain for both? Avoiding painful stimuli doesn't tell me about their emotional state or cognitive awareness of the pain, just an awareness of the stimuli.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Plants process pain and can communicate with other plants.

By your logic it is immoral to mow your grass.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No serious study suggests plants feel pain. They do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli.

Many more plants "die" for animal feeding than with a vegan diet.

If you're worried about grass pain, you should focus more on the animals that DO have nociceptors, central nervous systems and brains, and the ability to feel fear that you subject them too, purely for taste preference.

[–] MarciaLynnDorsett@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

except they clearly have no problem with eating things that feel pain.

[–] nieceandtows@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've read some studies that talk about how cabbages in a patch release a warning scent when one of them is being harvested. The scent actually propagates, and even non harvested cabbages release the scent further down the patch to warn other cabbages.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 2 points 4 months ago

That would be response to stimuli, which doesn't indicate sentience. Interesting though.