I actually didn't say anything and just followed this dude's logic. But actually I'd say it's not equivalent. The non-human animals are always innocent. Man is rarely.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, I disagree. Ant colonies go to war with each other all the time. Basically all mammal species see every male in a 5-mile radius fight to the death over a single female. I'm curious what exactly it is the animals are supposed to be innocent of.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They don't act on intellect. They just do without knowing what they're actually do. If a dog kicks over your vase, do you see malignant intent? Is the ant-colony going to war for survival acting on greed or lust or the desire to spill blood?

Do they rape because they despise women? Do they kill because they love the control? Do they build political systems made to opress the dumb and/or weak? Do they actually have crab-mentality like we do? Do they actually destroy the planet for their own desires to own as much stuff as possible?

I probably could go on for ages but you get the picture. We do most things while knowing better. We do horrible things, even though we know what others feel. We do most things with intent and knowledge.

We might be innocent as long as we're a toddler crawling around the world, knowing nothing. But now we buy cheap shit made in china, knowing very well that we keep horrible slavery running this way. We know and we ignore. Examples are legion, but you live on this planet too, so you know.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd like to hear your proposed alternative. Or did you just want another excuse tonsay "humanity bad"?

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago

I don't need an excuse for that. It's evidently visible all around us. Alternative? To what? To humans? Nature will sort that problem out.