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Leaked Documents Show Nvidia Scraping ‘A Human Lifetime’ of Videos Per Day to Train AI (www.404media.co)

submitted 3 months ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] trollbearpig@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

And that's the whole point of my comment, did you even read it? To summarize, there is currently a loophole in law that allows these bullshit arguments about it being different than straight up copying shit (though this haven't been litigated yet, so it's not yet clear if these arguments are actually valid). This means that while a person reading my AGPL code and copying it (without following the license) is 100% illegal, doing the same through an LLM may be legal. So this means that open source licenses can be bypassed by first training an LLM with the code and then extracting the code from the LLM. This is terrible for open source, and in general for anyone who wants to make a living from creating copyrighted work. So we should close this loophole, and I'm glad there is a push to close this through better laws. Even if these laws are comming from Disney, Sony, and all those awful companies.

So again, what's the point you are trying to make here? That we shouldn't make these laws stronger to prevent this bullshit? I honestly don't understand what you are trying to argue here, nothing of what you have said has anything to do with this conversation.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That we already have laws that protect copyright infringement (which seem like they would still apply if it was spit out by an LLM or not), and no more should be made. That training on public data is fine.

[–] trollbearpig@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Any arguments to defend your position? I'm giving you a very clear example of the awful consecuences of following that path. And the same applies to any creative work. You are just being dismissive without proposing any real solution. Do better man.

[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

The EFF link I posted above provides evidence. Again, here's a quote from part of it:

The process of machine learning for generative AI art is like how humans learn—studying other works—it is just done at a massive scale. Huge swaths of data (images, videos, and other copyrighted works) are analyzed and broken into their factual elements where billions of images, for example, could be distilled into billions of bytes, sometimes as small as less than one byte of information per image. In many instances, the process cannot be reversed because too little information is kept to faithfully recreate a copy of the original work.

As I mentioned before, Copilot at least, helps people avoid copyright infringement by notifying you if your code is similar to public code. The solution I'm proposing is no new laws, and just enforcing the ones we have. Most of the laws being proposed look like attempts at regulatory capture to me.