I mean climate change is certainly faster than most of the stubborn people, not grasping how much damage has already been done (as all of this comes in delayed and with feedback effects, which are already in motion).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism isn't lasting because people are "stubborn." It legitimately cannot sustain itself economically even without climate change. As disparity rises, and wages fail to keep up with productivity, rates of profit lower and exploitation increases.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean we're seeing it in the USA already don't we (as one of the more capitalistic examples)? Capitalism is still pretty stable, a lot of are mentally ill (otherwise I can't explain why someone like Trump is so popular). (And physically too). Opiate crisis. Richest country, yet the poorest are living in similar conditions as those in the poorer countries in Africa. I can name more examples of society falling apart, but yet capitalism still being strong (even in the democratic party). I mean I agree with your points (which are undermined by mine), yet that doesn't mean that capitalism is falling apart - and that means IMO that a major part of the people agree (and especially those with power, be it financial/political or military), that the system is is inherently flawed, and needs to be changed. But exactly that is something I'm not seeing anytime soon.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is still pretty stable, a lot of are mentally ill (otherwise I can't explain why someone like Trump is so popular).

Then you need to read theory, this is an ableist and immaterial answer. Fascism is an attempt to set the clock back, so to speak, and takes the form of an alliance between the bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie along xenophobic and nationalist lines. It is a reactionary response to Capitalism's decay.

I mean I agree with your points (which are undermined by mine), yet that doesn't mean that capitalism is falling apart - and that means IMO that a major part of the people agree (and especially those with power, be it financial/political or military), that the system is is inherently flawed, and needs to be changed. But exactly that is something I'm not seeing anytime soon.

If you understand that the rate of profit trends towards zero, why would you think Capitalism is stable?

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is a reactionary response to Capitalism’s decay

Interesting theory, need to think about that. Though I don't think Fascism and Capitalism are necessarily exclusive. (As example China, which is I'd say fascist and against the usual theory of "communism" quite state-capitalistic)

If you understand that the rate of profit trends towards zero, why would you think Capitalism is stable?

Because the trend is clearly not to zero currently, there's a lot of rich people (and the number is growing), profit is still growing, it's just that the gap between poor and rich is also growing. But Capitalism doesn't care about a lot of poor people. How that will be long-term is another story (as said ecosystems are the limiting factor).

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Interesting theory, need to think about that. Though I don't think Fascism and Capitalism are necessarily exclusive. (As example China, which is I'd say fascist and against the usual theory of "communism" quite state-capitalistic)

China is not fascist. Read Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco. America fits the commonly accepted fascist points far better than China currently does. China is certainly more liberal than it was under Mao, but it's not fascist.

Because the trend is clearly not to zero currently, there's a lot of rich people (and the number is growing), profit is still growing, it's just that the gap between poor and rich is also growing. But Capitalism doesn't care about a lot of poor people. How that will be long-term is another story (as said ecosystems are the limiting factor).

The tendency for the Rate of Profit is falling, and will do so even when rich people grow and gross profits rise. Capitalism does care about poor people, wages are tied to subsistence + replacement (child raising), but it will pay no more until Capitalism is abolished. It is, in fact, this vector that drives decay and decline, wages cannot increase beyond it except in low supply labor fields. You may want to read Wage Labor and Capital