Yeah, I get that. That’s actually what I was saying in my first post. A libertarian would see any form of communism as the path to tyranny, much like the meme does toward capitalism.

I’m just asking what form of collectivization best argues against that point? You mentioned left libertarianism.

Libertarians tend to say things like democracy, a well informed populace, and a strong constitution would reduce government growth and therefore abuse (cronyism). How can that same problem of abuse be avoided in a real collective society?

[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 points 10 months ago

I'm not going to pretend like I have all the answers there. Personally I don't think goverments are helpful; the vanguard state has failed repeatedly. Those weren't "crony" vanguard state. But unions and co-ops have worked out much better. If everybody is voting, then elites would need to coerce everyone instead of just whoever is in charge. One Stalin can't ruin everything.

This can cause its own problems (like voter fatigue), but those can be mitigated in various ways (like with liquid democracy). And if/when it becomes corrupt and your voice goes unheard, then creating or joining a new union is much easier than doing so with a new government.