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[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 months ago (31 children)

Weren't the Maori also just invaders who killed the natives and brought invasive species with them? I feel kind.of ambiguous about this whole Maori fascination.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 49 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Nope. Not even close. That's a myth used to invalidate actual Māori history.

The "moriori" were a Māori tribe on the Chatham islands who were conquered by mainland Māori.

Fun fact: NZ is the last place on earth to be permanently settled by humans.

TL;DR: Polynesians settled New Zealand over the 13th century, slowly lost contact with polynesia and the cultures diverged.

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Are we just discounting that Antarctica still has no permanent residents?

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Antarctica can't be the last place with a permanent settlement if it has no permanent settlement.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It hasn’t happened yet so New Zealand is last. Give it a hundred years and we’ll have antarcticans

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago

Yep. It has some permanent research facilities but no permanent settlement.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They were genocided by mainland Maori, the island's inhabitants were either killed or enslaved, and forced to adopt the culture of their conquerors.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah. I deliberately avoided using "genocide". It's a bit of a political hot topic right now (middle east) and I also wasn't entirely sure, so erred on the conservative side and just used "conquered".

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: Easter Island was probably settled about the same time, the Juan Fernandez islands weren't settled until the late 1600's.

ETA: Falklands/Islas Malvinas is even more recent iirc

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Islas Malvinas

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[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have a question about the fun fact. Trying to better understand it. If I were rich enough to buy an island and move to it, would that be the new last place to be settled by humans? If no, why not. And if yes, then surely there's at least one example of someone doing that since the 13th century.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It depends how big the island is, and whether it's supported by something else. NZ is a very large place, a country in it's own right, and is economically independent.

Your hypothetical island would likely be answerable to another government, and economically reliant on whatever your source of income is.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Fair enough. Yeah, I thought that maybe there were still small, unclaimed islands out there where you could have a small farm with solar power and shit and be self sufficient.

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