Look at what you're doing now, you're literally defending Trump. That's a huge red flag, and you should maybe look at yourself and see why you are now defending him.

Not at all, I think he's a monstrous piece of shit, I just don't think he has magic powers like you do.

Did I say my vote would help Palenstine? No. I said it would keep the status quo, and that if Trump was elected it would only accelerate the genocide

Again, materially, how?

Our two options are Trump or Kamala. There's no chance a third party will win (by design). So, of those two, I definitely know who I'm voting for.

I don't care who you vote for with respect to the genocide, both candidates support current US foreign policy and neither will change it, and pretending otherwise is monstrous.

[–] klep@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I accidentally deleted my comment when I went to edit it. My apologies.

Miriam Adelson is one of the Trump campaign's chief financiers. She pledged the Trump campaign in the neighborhood of $100m to support Israel's annexation of the West Bank. That would be direct acceleration of the genocide.

https://archive.is/qUpIJ

Adelson previously donated close to $100m to Trump support moving the embassy back to Tel Aviv, which Trump gleefully supported.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That would likely provoke a war with Iran, and even then, he wouldn't be able to do that without bipartisan support. If he can do that, and it can be proven Kamala would not, that is tangible evidence of escalation, something everyone else here failed to provide in any capacity, thanks.

Still, again, I question his ability to actually accomplish that even if he wanted to, and question that under conditions that allow him to be able to that Kamala would not also go through with it, given her record of unconditional support for genocide.

[–] klep@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

One of the candidates from the major parties will win. Period. One will gleefully do what he can to accelerate the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. Israel has said they're not concerned with Iran, and they shouldn't be with all the weapons the west sends them.

Harris is currently the VP and can't just openly go against the administration she is serving in and therefore is in a tough spot, I'd imagine. Do I think Harris will commit to a weapons blockade or any sort of immediate solution? Absolutely not.

I do, however, think that Harris will 100% be more open to measures to bring about a ceasefire through pressuring Netanyahu and the Israeli state. That's the choice.

Nobody in US politics has a chance to stop the genocide instantaneously. That's the fact. Nobody that will be elected can do that. Harris, I believe, will be far more open to measures that will bring about change.

Is there a perfect option? There never is.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You do realize how congress works, right? If Trump wins, the house is probably going to stay red, and the Senate could easily flip to red as well. Then, all Trump has to do is say the word and suddenly the schedule for bombing Palestine has changed.

You did defend Trump, covering your eyes and plugging your ears over it doesn't help.

I'm not going to continue to explain the basics of US politics and government to you. If you can't understand how electing Trump or voting for a third party hurts Palestine, then it's hopeless to continue to try. You are a lost cause, single issue voter. I don't care if you care who I'm voting for, because you can't seem to grasp the basics of politics in general. I'm voting for her because if I don't, I will lose my own rights and be unable to help those who have already lost theirs.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You do realize how congress works, right? If Trump wins, the house is probably going to stay red, and the Senate could easily flip to red as well. Then, all Trump has to do is say the word and suddenly the schedule for bombing Palestine has changed.

The genocide is bipartisan though, look at the voting records of congress. They are going to agree regardless, the anti-genocide faction is a minority of the DNC.

You did defend Trump, covering your eyes and plugging your ears over it doesn't help.

Quote me and show me, this is libel.

I'm voting for her because if I don't, I will lose my own rights and be unable to help those who have already lost theirs.

I understand that's why you're voting for her, I just wish you'd stop pretending she's better than Trump on Palestine despite them supporting the same policies.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm very aware it's bipartisan, do you think that there are no progressives in congress? Also, that kind of defeats your own logic - since congress is bipartisan and will continue to vote for more weapons to Israel, Trump will not stop a single shipment and will actively lobby congress members to create more bills for more weapons. That is exactly the point people are trying to get inside your head: that Trump will only accelerate the shipments. You're so close to realizing the truth, but I doubt you'll do it.

I'm not going to continue to explain to you how US politics work and how single issue voting supports Trump. That's on you, it's not libel if you just can't understand politics. Keep supporting him by proxy though, I'm sure that will end well for Palestine.

She is status quo, and therefore better than Trump who is worse than status quo in every subject. She's not better for Palestine in general, but she is better than Trump for Palestine.

Anyway, I'm done explaining the basics to you. You know who I'm voting for, and I know you'll throw your vote away to empower Trump, so at least we're on the same page there.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

I'm very aware it's bipartisan, do you think that there are no progressives in congress?

The number of anti-Genocide democrats is low enough that they don't make a material impact on weapon shipments, the Zionists have enough votes to pass what they want. It's a zero-sum deal, either the shipments pass or they don't, and with a super-majority the Zionists are uncontested regardless.

since congress is bipartisan and will continue to vote for more weapons to Israel, Trump will not stop a single shipment

Neither will Kamala.

and will actively lobby congress members to create more bills for more weapons

This is goofy, the US only has so many bombs, and shipments are set by Congress. Is he going to pay out of pocket to increase shipments?