The youth in the US is mostly actually leftist, and they give them the choice to vote for a centrist or a right wing candidate. That's a big part of the reason. Also, just the fact that the youth also votes less, on average, even those youth who identify as right wing.

I know because I am an actual leftist, and I didn't vote for a long time into my adulthood, because it feels like a scam. I finally got over the fact that not participating in the vote is worse, but I completely understand the apathy amongst actual leftists in the US. We've had no true representation in our whole lives.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t vote for the centrist candidate, you can’t object to the right extremist.

Actually this does track that a lot of what I see online is people who seem unwilling to compromise: neither are what I want so both the same. You need to be willing to vote for the one closest to what you want, and work toward moving that leftward over time.

We had a huge success with “The Squad” getting enough attention before Biden’s first nomination to influence the party platform. As a minority voter, this path is more likely to succeed than not voting

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t vote for the centrist candidate, you can’t object to the right extremist.

You absolutely can. Voting is not the extent of political action.

Actually this does track that a lot of what I see online is people who seem unwilling to compromise: neither are what I want so both the same. You need to be willing to vote for the one closest to what you want, and work toward moving that leftward over time.

You can't move right-wingers left through thoughts and prayers, this is astrology.

We had a huge success with “The Squad” getting enough attention before Biden’s first nomination to influence the party platform. As a minority voter, this path is more likely to succeed than not voting

And yet they accomplish nothing and are kept like barking dogs on leashes. The electoral process is a filter, it prevents radical change. See how the monsters treat Rashida Tlaib.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can’t move right-wingers left

Exactly. If you have to chose between right wing and centrist , elect the centrist and move them a bit to the left. prepare to do this through multiple elections

And yet they accomplish nothing

And yet President Biden is very centrist but has passed some of the most far reaching changes ever on the environment, renewable energy, unionization, etc.

An example of both is climate change regulation. Legislation passed during Biden’s term should get us about halfway to our net carbon goal. A pessimist may focus on that not being nearly enough, but I see a new center, where we can have more success working on more substantial change

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Exactly. If you have to chose between right wing and centrist , elect the centrist and move them a bit to the left. prepare to do this through multiple elections

The Greens are the centrists, if you'll vote Green I will. How do you plan on moving them left, though? Thoughts and prayers?

And yet President Biden is very centrist but has passed some of the most far reaching changes ever on the environment, renewable energy, unionization, etc.

Biden is a right-wing Neoliberal, lmao. He has not passed some of the most "far reaching changes ever" on any of those subjects, that's an insult to leftists everywhere. He's a failure on all accounts to meaningfully address those issues.

An example of both is climate change regulation. Legislation passed during Biden’s term should get us about halfway to our net carbon goal. A pessimist may focus on that not being nearly enough, but I see a new center, where we can have more success working on more substantial change

"Biden failed to do what was necessary, when other countries have exceeded what was necessary. Here's why that's a good thing"

Lmao

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Actually, youth turnout is pretty high right now, with record turnout being set recently for both midterms and presidential elections. In 2020, turnout for the under thirty crowd was 50%, a possible new record, and it was 30% and 27% in 2018 and 2022 respectively, which are 30 year highs. Unfortunately, the Democratic Party leadership prefers centrist candidates, and frequently puts its thumb on the scale to ensure that moderate candidates win, so that turnout isn't translating into progressive politics.

Funny enough, just after I made the original comment, I read an article about how the youngest U.S. voters are starting to lean further right than before, so it's possible the ship has sailed on this all together. Given how aggressively the right wing has been to trying to indoctrinate young voters, who are watching Democrats successfully suppress left-wing populism while Republicans embrace right-wing populism, it's possible the youth are deciding that the far-right offers them only chance for change. I hope not, though, because then we're screwed.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because for every loud voice you read on lemmy there's 1000 boomers and nut jobs that either a) don't use the Internet regularly b) don't leave Facebook or c) hide away in right wing circlejerk sites like truth social and 4chan. A and B just being old, and none of them being people that can handle having their views challenged, which is definitely going to happen in a space like this.