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Giuliani’s attempts to overturn 2020 election partly thwarted by wrong number
(www.theguardian.com)
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Any New Yorkers here? I'm interested in your perspective on Giuliani. I only have a cursory knowledge of him. He first came to my attention when he made headlines busting some crime family as a DA way back when. Then he was in the news a lot as the mayor of NYC during 9/11. He seemed pretty respected at the time? I dunno. And next thing you know, he resurfaces as an enforcer for the Trump administration, winding up getting disbarred and generally shunned by society. I guess I'm curious as to whether he was always a scumbag or grew into the role?
NY metro here at the time. He was close to being shunned by 2001. He wasn't performing well, he wasn't that smart, he wasn't effective. Then 9/11/01 we suddenly all had to band together. Nothing saves a term in office like massive tragedy in which everyone is emotionally charged and any act of rebuilding is "doing their best". His platform prior to that was that he was tough on crime and took credit for a drop, but you can see the trend started prior to his terms and there was a national drop as well, so it's not his sole doing. The 80s were a terrible time in NYC, way more dangerous than whatever fears the right enstills in their following today. Plus, statewide/nation wide impression of him won't match the city's impression, since he was still conservative. I will say, he wasn't as far into conservatism in his policies as he and his cohorts are now. So while he may not have been as favorable across the board, he wasn't so polarizing.
See: Bush, George W.
Just a friendly quiet older guy who chokes on pretzels like the rest of us at best, puppet for war profiteers at worst. Certainly not really responsible for any of the travesties related to him. He was just reading a book to children.
I don’t believe he was dumb enough to fall for all that shit. He was just as complicit as the rest of them. And since he’s the one at the top, he bears ultimate responsibility. Ergo, he is directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. I wish that pretzel was a little bigger.
Meant as sarcasm, but I get it