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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 131 points 10 months ago (44 children)

With trains, you don’t arrive sweaty, you can’t get run down by cars, and someone else parks it

[–] adriaan@sh.itjust.works 79 points 10 months ago (25 children)

I ride a bike to work every day. I'm never sweaty. The infrastructure to cycle exists so I won't get run over by cars.

[–] Mrderisant@midwest.social 23 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Where I live I wouldn't want to bike. Too many freaking hills

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Where I live (Oklahoma City), I wouldn't want to bike for at least 5 months of the year. Between mid April and late October, we are stupid hot and humid. We had lots of days this past summer that either got uncomfortably close to or passed 40°C. Dew points in the mid 20s all summer long. You'll break a sweat just standing outside for more than about a minute or two.

Can't imagine what it's like for those sorry saps in Houston or Florida.

[–] pearable@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

The comfortable temp for biking is significantly higher than it is for walking, especially with the right gear. 40°C is definitely beyond reasonable tho. Planting trees and decreasing the amount of asphalt would go a long way to make it a better proposition more of the year. A societal expectation that you don't go or do anything when weather gets that hot could bridge the difference. Unfortunately that kind of philosophy is antithetical to capitalism's demands for productivity.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I live in a somewhat hilly city. That is why I have an electric bike. I'm never sweaty when I arrive at work

[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even if the city is flat as fuck you'll still arrive sweaty if the climate is hot. Take Phoenix for example, you will sweat even if you are in the shade and doing no physical exercise because it's commonly 46 degrees.

[–] adriaan@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Phoenix is not a great example of how we should design cities. Putting a city in a desert is a bad idea from the outset.

[–] Chriswild@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

The desert is the only reason it is habitable, if it were less arid the humidity would make it even worse. The largest desert on earth is Antarctica, deserts don't have to be hot, just low precipitation.

But what deserts do very well is solar potential due to lack of cloud cover and I don't know why we can't use solar to power electric rail for public transportation.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 10 months ago

I have an electric bike for the hills.

Where I used to work it was downhill all the way there and uphill all the way back stupid way round of having it don't want to get to work early.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hills are only the problem if you're not biking regularly. I'm way out of shape, but after a year on living in a country with good infrastructure, hills aren't a problem for me anymore, really. But first couple of months it was a bit brutal, for sure.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Where I live biking to work wouldn’t be popular because it’s too cold and Americans hate exercise

[–] pearable@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Biking in the cold and wet honestly isn't that bad. Biking is my primary way of getting around all year in the PNW. When it gets real cold I put on normal snow gear. It definitely makes going outside more of a production tho.

A lot of it has more to do with what people are used to and feel is reasonable than with the actual conditions. If people saw more folks riding and actually knew people who rode I think people would be more open to try it.

Unmanaged ice/snow, unhealthy wet bulb temperatures, and getting run over due to car first infrastructure are the most significant barriers to more people using bikes as transportation IMO. If a society chooses to, all those things can be mitigated.

My favorite part of riding is that I get moderate physical activity for free. I would not spend near as much time being active otherwise.

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