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L'année dernière le sujet a été abordés par @AlexisFR@jlai.lu et je souhaite relancé l'idée de dé-fédérer de cette instance.

Je navigue depuis quelque temps sans bloquer la moindre instances question de simuler un peu l'expérience de quelqu'un qui rejoint le fediverse via l'instance jlai.lu.

Les posts qui apparaissent dans le fil et le comportement de la plupart des usagers de cette instance pollue tout simplement l'expérience Lemmy.

Même sans parler de possible liens avec CCP, Kremlin etc... je pense que, à mon humble avis, leur comportement et leur façons de brigader et de diffamer une opinion qui ne diverge que d'à peine d'un poil de leur courant de penser, va sincèrement à l'encontre de l'état d'esprit de notre communauté sur cette instance.

Je me suis opposé sans vraiment me prononcer l'année dernière à une dé-fédération (étant donné qu'ils ne sont pas francophone et que j'aime bien le drama inter-instances de temps temps) mais leurs prises de positions en permanence ahurissantes et (en pesant mes mots au maximum) d'une flagrante dissonance cognitive je dois dire que trop c'est trop.

Je pense sincèrement que malgré le fait nos intéractions soit assez minimes avec cette instance je pense que sur le long terme leur influence est nocive et que, dans l'idée de garder une certaines sérénité pour les personnes et futures personnes qui utiliseront cette instance, qu'il y ai une dé-fédération de cette instance de la notre.

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.

I accused this user of being a fascist. If 12 people are seated at a table with 1 fascist, tell me how many fascists are seated at that table.

This user is a fascist because they're doing the same generic anticommunism routine that all of the right-wing forums do. Create an anticommunist hysteria around a nonsensical boogeyman, widen the net as the next person they disagree with is also part of the sneaky non-white conspiracy against them, ratchet the community rightward. That specific process is why reddit is reddit. If someone's doing the same old trick on the Fediverse, I don't care if it's this forum with 8 monthly users I've never seen before or Lemmy.world/Lemm.ee with fresh content feeds. It attracts the same people and ends in the same place.

This goober thinks they're being gangstalked by Russian spies because someone on the internet disagreed with 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝒾𝓇 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃. Before you clutch your pearls about me calling them a fascist, the first question you should be asking is what that position is and what's so offensive about the Hexbear stance on it. Generally if we hate someone or something there's a pretty good reason for it.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 22 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.

Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

[–] Camus@jlai.lu 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you’re defending.

etchebest qui souffle

Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You've convinced everyone with an attention span too short to read their comment and believe they can get the gist by reading the shorter response.

Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.

Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven't seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your backhanded way of avoiding an argument is to paint their comment in a certain light and ignore its content. I haven’t seen anyone say this obvious truth out loud yet so I will.

The point is that there is no argument in the first place, no one here intends to defederate from hexbear, and you and your mates coming here aggressively and acting like unhinged assholes unprompted in a meta-instance discussion does not help.

This post is just OP having his jimmies rumbled and asking if because of it if can cut one of the oldest instance from our fedlist.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For someone now saying there isn't an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.

You've got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.

All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For someone now saying there isn’t an argument, you sure did use three consecutive angry adjectives in the same sentence to respond to their comment.

You’ve got quite the imbalance of nerve and self reflection, crying about people being aggressive and acting like unhinged assholes after how you just acted.

You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?

All you do is illustrate how profoundly meaningless your words are. You use the same invective to someone being reasonable as you do someone scolding you.

I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You should have realized that I adapt my tone to the one I respond to, by like, reading?

See? You literally just say shit that has no connection to reality. Here you claim to read. You have proven to everyone that you do not. Not only by your ignorant handling of the original comment you replied to, but also now by ignoring both my statement and reasoning behind pointing out that you DO NOT adapt your tone to the one you're responding to!

Nothing you say means anything because everything you say is predetermined by your attitude alone. You don't read. Even if you did it would have no effect on what your opinion or response is. It has been shown now twice.

I don't think we have the same definition of reasonable, might have been lost in translation I guess.

smuglord

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wew lad, this must be shit tier bait

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I no longer feel sympathy towards the french for 'le meme' because it turns out that's actually how you act

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago

I no longer feel sympathy towards the french

Kinda cringe than in all french history, that's what it took you.

[–] hondacivic@lem.sabross.xyz 5 points 1 month ago
[–] Camus@jlai.lu 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anyone who actually read their comment and your description rightly see you as cowardly, stupid, and unhinged.

Ah oui quand même excuse me wtf

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

J'ai pas vu d'aussi beau troll depuis des années. Faut dire que je suis devenu bon à les éviter mais notre pauvre admin vient de se prendre celui en plein le coin de l’œil.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Pauvre" admin. C'est un des meilleurs ippon de jlai.lu, un Teddy Reiner, amha ça le gonfle et l'amuse 😁

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Everyone I don't agree with is on drugs (which makes them an inferior person not worth listening to), a definitely-not-fascist bedtime story for smug internet liberals.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not only do I disagree with OP and therefore agree with with your mate, but I don't have any issue with drug use.

My issue is with the fact that ketamine fulled drivel is not the best way to communicate with people and be correctly understood, speaking from experience.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nah, that's the kind of weak dodge I would use back when I was a liberal casually saying ghoulish dork shit. If you use "ur prolly on drugs lol" to dismiss the argument of someone who is speaking with perfect clarity, you're just being a little snotty fuck looking for any excuse not to take in scary new information that might make you feel bad.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago
[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair I'd love to write ketamine-fueled rants but it costs like $500 for a dose here. The best I can offer is coffee and sometimes-cannabis-fueled.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 5 points 1 month ago

You should try TOR marketplaces.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tbh, your agressive terminally online ketamine fulled diatribe does not help in giving a good picture of the instance you're defending.

Luckily, being a tanky ironically or not is not enough to warrant de-federating from an instance.

I already said I want to defederate with you. You get a pass on engaging with this comment because English is your second language.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not leaving me, I'm leaving you!

zizek ok

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would have made my own post first but didn't know you exist until this post. Then I agreed with it. A more apt analogy would be getting a random text saying "I'm breaking up with you" and replying "ok".

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An actually apt analogy would be one of your theater club mate receiving a text advising to leave the theater club because it's full of dubious people, your mate saying "lol no", and you sending a 10 pages pamphlet to the friend sending the text accusing them to be a fascist, completely unprompted.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them is on the same forum as the person who uses "tanky" as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks. I would ask how you see yourself ideologically, but you aren't making a good case for not being a fascist forum so that definition wouldn't mean much. Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with tankies and Asian conspiracies? Not the left-wing ones.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago (11 children)

We have no post supporting capitalism. The whole server is critizing capitalism and supporting social and environnemental project.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That is terrific, I'm glad that you are yourself anti-capitalist. I don't think the whole jlai.lu instance is, though, and at least one mod is apparently quite conservative.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 6 points 1 month ago

If you're talking about me, that's kind of a funny way to see it I guess, albeit pretty dumb and most likely lacking in political history for it to be your guess.

[–] leftascenter@jlai.lu 5 points 1 month ago

The whole instance is not anti capitalistic but many of the most active users are and we have dedicated leftist and pro-tolerance communities. The instance is overtly antifascist, the few doubtful users that posted were kicked out promptly.

The feeling is also anti-authoritarian so tankies wouldn't feel at ease, but I dont think they'd be kicked out unless blatantly promoting imperialist / authoritarian agendas.

[–] Snoopy@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Well, i'm affraid language barriere doesn't help...and there is some part of misunderstanding and french's culture is different 😟

When we talk about PCC or the Kremlin, we are mainly critizing imperialism. We do make a clear line between communism and imperialism.

We also critize France, and our actions to change it is currently repressed by the police. We document it there. I don't read it, it depress me a lot and i have to care about myself.

https://jlai.lu/c/quefaitlapolice?

You can also check those communities :

You can also check @Frirish@jlai.lu posts.

He has expressed his point of view about hexbear but that doesn't represent our opinion until proven otherwise.

The first thing we (anyone, everyone not necessary the mod/admin team) do is talking to people (even modo, admin are included and can be demoted anytime) and pointing out what's wrong.

That's the first thing we did. We asked for source and pointed out it's normal that you would react here.

Then, we ask them to edit their post as a way to apologize.

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[–] anansi@jlai.lu 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The person who thinks non-whites are gangstalking them

The fuck you're talking about

the person who uses “tanky” as a slur against the only forum which strictly opposes all of the groups currently using tanks

>opens hexbear

>see a meme in the front page using the same rhetoric as Israel when it denies the palestinian genocide, to deny Uyghurs genocide by China

Kinda selective opposition I guess.

Look at the company you keep. Who else online is obsessed with genocide denial and defending authoritarian regimes? Not the left-wing ones.

pepe clown

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cool, the person who uses tankie as an insult is an Adrian Zenz fan and has a Nazi frog emoji on hand for logical gotchas.

Again you are not making a good case here. Snoopy's giving it their best, but you're setting off my hitler-detector.

[–] anansi@jlai.lu 5 points 1 month ago
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[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You could ask me directly instead of whatever this is.

I asked Cowbee because we had been discussing recently how interactions between Hexbear and other instances sometimes play out, so I thought it would be relevant to have their perspective on this example.

About the rest of your arguments, seems to have been addressed in this comment: https://hexbear.net/post/3694795/5510986

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…

Explain this rhetorical trick to me.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you think my grandma would be a bicycle if she had tyres instead of legs?

Going back to the thing that did actually happen, take two:

Even without talking about possible links with CCP, Kremlin etc…

Explain this rhetorical trick to me.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The correct pun is "if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike" btw

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lapin compris. Tu peux expliquer ?

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