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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kinda weird that they're calling it an OS, but ig they're just trying to cater to the windows audience

[–] killerinstinct101@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

KDE neon is what they're selling

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Selling as in advertising, I might add. Neon is free

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Neon is more of a testbed than a proper distro (they don't actually even use that word).

Is this "the KDE distro"?

Nope. KDE believes it is important to work with many distributions, as each brings unique value and expertise for their respective users. This is one project out of hundreds from KDE.

[–] rbits@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It's a proper distro, that's just saying it's not THE official one

[–] glibg10b@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

I think we have a clear winner here

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.

I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.

[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wine can run most of those, not all. You can still dual boot Windows if you need to (VMs are an option, but they aren’t always the best).

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[–] ultra@feddit.ro 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention free as in freedom.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Also free as in beer.

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"

- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I found since people are used to app stores, I've had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think it's still important to explain the key difference between an "app store" and a package repository: the latter isn't a "store" because everything is free.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

True but it helps get the concept across so much.

[–] Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thst might change with Flathub's ambitions to become an actual app store though

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?

[–] Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Well hey, as long as these participating devs maintain that their software remains FOSS, I'd pay up. They do a lot of good work, can't do it all for free.

[–] Tavarin@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.

[–] savedbythezsh@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but it's awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad

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[–] embed_me@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

[–] Kierunkowy74@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What chmod step?

When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.

With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.

[–] allywilson@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It's interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don't even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There was a TCP/IP bug that shared it's exploit on versions of windows from windows for workgroups 3.11 (which you ran from the DOS prompt by typing 'win') through to windows 7 (which was the new hotness at the time)

That's a bug conserved from the very first Microsoft implementation of TCP/IP through to the state of the art at the time

People were surprised at the time that it wasn't a windows NT bug

[–] allywilson@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

That's surprising, as I think the first Windows TCP/IP stack was ported over from BSD by Spider Systems (pretty sure that's why it still has things like "/etc/hosts" - albeit under System32). Wonder if the bug was in BSD and never backported (cross ported?).

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here

[–] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a desktop environment system.

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the "Gold standard" for desktop OS's. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.

When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my "Gold standard" and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.

No regrets and certainly ain't switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.

[–] Patch@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've been a Linux user for a decade and a half now, but still use Windows on my corporate laptops. Honestly, it's baffling how Microsoft seem to consistently manage to miss the mark with the UI design. There's lots to be said about the underlying internals of Windows vs Linux, performance, kernel design etc., but even at the shallow, end user, "is this thing pleasant to use" stakes, they just never manage to get it right.

Windows 7 was...fine. It was largely inoffensive from a shell point of view, although things about how config and settings were handled were still pretty screwy. But Windows 8 was an absolutely insane approach to UI design, Windows 10 spent an awful lot of energy just trying to de-awful it without throwing the whole thing out, and Windows 11 is missing basic UI features that even Windows 7 had.

When you look at their main commercial competition (Mac and Chromebook) or the big names in Linux (GNOME, KDE, plenty of others besides), they stand out as a company that simply can't get it right, despite having more resources to throw at it than the rest of them put together.

It seems like a big company's problem. They have a well-paid design\marketing department that can do whatever they want to create the best-selling interface for the new version of Windows, but before it's released, no one tested it yet for anything but bugs, and who'd argue with a flock of top designers anyway? Add here the board of directors who are here to sell them ideas and who won't use it either – I'm sure they applauded to the idea of unifying mobile and desktop experience with WinPhone&Win8, but especially Tablet-Laptop transformers they saw as the future. It sounds great on the paper, right? At that time it could've even sounded obvious for their business. And so it happened like it did.

Linux counters it by constant feedback and competition between easily switchable DEs, users being prepared even to jump distros; Apple has a fetish for style and experience (that's a half of their pricetag), they build their business model about looking and feel nice, so you'd build an ecosystem of their products, you can't even see error windows here and their garden is gated af; and ChromeOS\Android aren't shy of looking what others do (like iPhone's design findings) and conservatively taking what works, also having tons of vendor-created restyles\forks on their own platform as a testing ground for new ideas to make them then a standard. MS lack all of it, and their creative process is guided by external interests and ideals, it's just an afterthought. And as they have their stable market share, they probably won't even care. It took whole internet's screams to return their traditional start menu in win8.1, then w10.

That'd probably stay the same until their new CEO would happen to be an art college graduate - like the current one pushed for accessebility and building special controllers because she has a child with a disability. A top-down signal. I won't bet on it anytime soon.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Microsoft will probably never truly catch up with KDE

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[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the newest windows, it is even possible to hover the volume icon and change it with the mouse wheel!!!

[–] psud@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

But you still need to get at the audio settings to tell it that it should use your microphone for a microphone, not the USB camera

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

What's plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers

Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.

Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.

KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as "KDE" by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.

KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.

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