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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 233 points 4 months ago (6 children)

If only. Dude looks and sounds like he's about drop dead. I cannot begin to express how enormously frustrated with the democrats I am.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 111 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is our choice. Come November I have no choice but to vote for this mumbling old man.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 188 points 4 months ago (7 children)

I would vote for a wet sandwich before I vote for Trump, but Jesus Christ, it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

Yep. Same boat.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml 36 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Democrats suffer from a condition that I've come to call "Democratic Realism," named after Capitalist Realism. No matter how much they get their shit kicked in. No matter how badly they do. No matter how little they accomplish. No matter how badly they look or do in debates. Democrats always believe, beyond a shred of doubt, that they'll win elections without trying. Not because of their own merits, but because they're just the only "real" choice; they simply can't fathom anyone willingly voting for their opponents.

Hillary barely campaigned in the "flyover states" that she needed to win because she couldn't be fucking bothered to actually try. It wasn't worth the effort to try and persuade people she thought of as her lessers. And the DNC just went "well, it's obviously her turn. She's been waiting for the chance at the presidency for 20 years now. We should go ahead and let her be president." Because that's the mentality. They don't have to "win" elections. They just pick a candidate and they get to win, because there is no "real" alternative. That Bush and Trump won don't indicate that, yeah, actually, you do have to fight for the people who are voting for you, otherwise they'll vote for the schmuck that appeals to their basest and most venal instincts. Those were just flukes...right? And you don't have to inspire confidence and admiration in others, because they should just recognize how smart and accomplished and inoffensive their candidates are, and that they're told to vote for them by people that are smarter than they are, so they should just shut up and do it.

It's a party driven less by any kind of ideological goals and more by a pervasive sense of smug, impotent, lazy egotism. And, yeah, they'll get a shitload of votes in the elections because the alternative always seems to be someone who is one goose-step shy of a literal Nazi. Biden will probably even win the popular vote. Y'know....just like Hillary did...

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Good essay. I don't know if you remember after Obama won in 2008 a bunch of democratic party apparatchiks came up with this idea of "the coalition of the ascendant" and that they pretty much had the government locked in for a generation, due to support that would never waver for them amongst immigrants, yuppies, tech bros, etc. They didn't need the working class anymore and the Republicans would be the minority party for many years.

Two years later the democrats were wiped out in the midterms.

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[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They won't until they absolutely have to.

Which at this rate is fucking never.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thought they would have learned something from that whole Hillary and Sanders debacle. But I guess not.

OR… they don’t give a fuck either since they’re all on the same corporate payroll

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Of course they didn’t. They literally had every establishment democrat coordinatedly drop out of the primaries in exchange for cabinet positions to throw their support behind Biden when Sanders started winning the primaries in 2020. Like, it’s been clear they’d learned nothing. And thanks to the idiotic two party system, they got rewarded for that maneuver with the opportunity to say “we told you so! Look, we got trump out of office!” And when they lose this time…they won’t learn a goddamn thing. Again.

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[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.

They think they don't have to, they just have to keep you scared enough of the GOP that you'll vote for them out of terror. It's how Biden won the first time, after all.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Imagine if they had spent last 4 years promoting some young faces as potential candidates.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would vote for a wet sandwich before I vote for Trump, but Jesus Christ, it would be nice if the democrats fucking tried.

why should they? you're going to give them what they want from you anyways in november and multiple novembers into the future; there's literally no reason for them to ever bother.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Remember when a bunch of people didn't vote because the Democrat candidate was a piece of shit? And then trump won? And then the democratic party said "oh wow we should put up actual candidates instead of decrepit neolibs" except they didn't because they didn't learn shit.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Why doesn't anyone call him out on lying about running for a second term? I very vividly remember hearing him say in 2020 that he would not seek reelection and yet here we are.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Why doesn’t anyone call him out on lying about running for a second term?

never saw this. citation requested thanks

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 42 points 4 months ago (11 children)

This is the choice that was forced onto us. The Democrats could have had a Primary and instead they chose this for us.

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[–] TwistedTurtle@monero.town 55 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I keep squeezing my eyes shut and trying to will myself into the timeline where Bernie won.

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All i can think is 'imagine if Bernie was 10yrs younger...'

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Libs in 2016: I love Bernie, it's just too bad about his age

Libs in 2020: Biden has a stutter. Don't be ageist.

Libs in 2024: We had no idea!

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 18 points 4 months ago

And remember how they made a big deal about Bernie's age in 2020? They asked for medical records, and even after getting letters from two or three doctors, that wasn't enough. It was like the birthers all over again: when they got what they asked for, they moved the goal posts and wanted the long-form documents.

Meanwhile, not a peep about Biden, who is Bernie's junior by fourteen fucking months, as if that made all the difference.

And then, four years later, it wasn't an issue anymore. Just run the guy again.

On top of that, the DNC would condescend to anyone left of center about electability.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see your post is missing the required 20,000 word essay in how the Republicans are worse then democrats... thus you are a secret Russian Republican antisemite!

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[–] Youreabanana@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

that's what happens when your most leftist party is just right of center.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 81 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If it does what he showed tonight it needs to go back to r&d

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[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 75 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This meme might not age well. Biden doesn’t look so good in the debate so far.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, he is getting the shit kicked out of him. Trump is spouting insane lies, but Biden is stumbling over his words on every response.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The only word salad moment(as of 15 minutes ago when I just had to turn it off) was near the start when Biden just kinda trailed off saying random words.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And when he said he beat medicare

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago (5 children)

That was certainly the worst of it, but it didn't get much better for him, he fumbled over a lot of his delivery. It was much harder for him though, he was using facts and figures while Trump was just saying whatever lie popped into his head.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Trumps replies seldom had any connection to the thread/question posed by moderator. he was simply waiting for his turn to ramble a gish gallop out.

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[–] Old_Jimmy_Twodicks@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago

Yeah, this is pretty painful to watch. Trump is a piece of shit, but he's way more forceful and even somewhat coherent. Meanwhile, Biden's just above a whisper and is somewhere between stuttering and rambling.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 20 points 4 months ago

If this Biden feeling ‘jacked up’, I shudder to think what he’s like when he’s not. He’s not doing a great job of spruiking his own achievements and his answers are devoid of stats or figures - likely because they weren’t able to bring notes in. He’s sadly making trump look more coherent and lively by comparison.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Staying hydrated is known to increase performance.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Good old dihydrogen monoxide.

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[–] halferect@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The whole malarkey shit they are trying to push like it's a great image is so fucking dumb, it would be cute if my grandpa in hospice said it but it's fucking incredibly out of touch when the president of the United states says it.

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They can't deny that he's older than dirt, might as well lean into the cuter parts about that fact

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you insist on being the candidate, Joe, please take actual drugs before debates. As many as you can.

[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just imagine for a short ... Biden takes drugs. AND still has the better answers to all our problems than this un-drugged (?!) 3yo mind in a slightly younger body. Wouldn't THAT be a real game changer? Shouldn't DJT then too use drugs? No?

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago

i wish he was on drugs; maybe he would have done better.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Should have took a lot more.

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

Clearly they should have pumped him full of unicorn blood and stem cells.

[–] LainAlgorithm@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Biden needs that pure old Colombian cocaine.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

If the point of taking drugs is to "enhance your performance" then Biden took every drug he should NOT have taken before that debate.

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