this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2023
3 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

59534 readers
3195 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 11 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Air conditioning and touchscreens didn’t alter how cars drove but did revolutionize the driving experience.

Can we please make touchscreens for neccessary functionality illegal, like using phones while driving?

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, buttons can be found without looking.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

They also provide tactile feedback allowing you to be sure they have been pressed without even looking.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can we have more mechanical posts like this?

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

No, you need 555 posts about the shit that a billionaire said about stuff he knows nothing about

[–] Destraight@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So how does it handle potholes?

[–] Umbrella8335@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

you didn't watch the whole video huh?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 11 months ago

Video is like the worst possible way to demonstrate something.

I can't watch a video at the moment as I'm busy not working. I need quiet text thanks.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Zorque@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago
[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

There's 2 significant inaccuracies in the article and 1 large oversight in the official video.

  1. Differentials are not one wheel drive. They can seem to drive only one wheel when spinning the wheels as one let's loose and the other stays still, but it's not driving one wheel. It's still driving both. The problem is the free wheel is spinning at twice the speed indicated on the speedometer and the other is at 0. The driveshaft puts in a certain number of turns, the wheels, together, must add up to an equal output (multiplied by the gear ratio). If the car is going straight with full traction, then they turn the same. If you floor it in snow, one is probably spinning 40% over it's share and the other 40% under. This is not unique to rwd either as fwd cars still very much have a functioning differential. To throw some numbers at it to help clarify the function, let's say the engine is asking the wheels to spin at 30rpm each in a straight line. In a left turn, the right wheel travels further and needs to spin at 35rpm while the inner spins at 25rpm. It still adds up to 60rpm, same as a straight line. Mash it in the snow and it might be 60rpm in the left and 0nin the right or 0 in the left and 60 in the left. It could be 5/55, 40/20, or any other combo as long as it totals 60.

PS: differentials are irrelevant when the wheels aren't connected to each other. Individual-motor wheels, as shown in the video, don't need a diff. The non-drive wheels in a 2-wheel drive vehicle do not have a differential on the non-drive axle.

  1. Cv joints are not specific to fwd as nearly all modern rwd cars with independent rear suspensions have CV joints. I don't know of any trucks still using U-joints either since big trucks are solid axle. Cv joints function the same as U joints. The difference is C.V. joints output constant velocity whereas U-joints (what you'll see often under trucks on the driveshaft, two square C shaft ends with an X link between) have lopey output that gets worse with greater deflection angle. If you own a u-joint bit for your socket wrench, I invite you to play with it. Instead of a solid pinned X between the U ends, CVs have free-rolling balls that can roll inboard and outboard to maintain the link between the shaft's cup and the wheel's cone.

  2. The article is inaccurate but the video ignores this part, so I don't fault The writer. The CV joints are said to be a poor design, yet, it ignores the part where the video reinstalls them at 4:20 and 5:10 for the front wheels. This mechanism does not allow angular deflection between the motor and hub, as it's shown, without a CV joint. Lateral displacement, yes, but not angular - as in it can't steer. This may be an overall improvement by reducing how often it needs to bend (only when steering), but it doesn't eliminate it. And even then, the rear suspension is still designed to change camber as it changes ride height. Camber is the angle of the wheel as measured top to bottom, as in what you see from looking at the wheels from the front of the car. It keeps the wheels flat on the ground as you lean the car in a corner. You may see an overloaded car's rear wheels look like /---\ as viewed from the rear or ---/ when hanging free on a lift.

Look, I'm not an engineer at Hyundai (or even a competitor) but this doesn't quite pass the sniff test. Cool idea for sure, but it smells a little like marketing is clamoring for something edgy to display. Even as displayed, the motors and original reduces were already very compact and in close proximity to the wheels compared to a normal engine. The slightly reduced footprint of this uni wheel and slightly increased friction of a bunch of additional gears makes me think this is a fractional improvement in practice rather than a revolutionary improvement.