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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 87 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But see, now she doesn't have time to organize or even attend a Revolutionary action of any kind!

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The first rule of a successful abuse of power is to make people too busy trying to survive to worry about what your policies are

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The Jan 6ers made the time. Not sure how many jobs they have.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Trump die-hards are largely petty bourgeois, ie small business owners. They can make their own time.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Had not heard this term before, so I learned something new today. Thank you. And yes, this explains a lot.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

No problem!

The "fun" thing with the petty bourgeois as they relate to Trump is how classes relate to fascism. Fascism materially arises from a frustrated petty bourgeoisie aligning with the Bourgeoisie against the Proletariat along nationalis and xenophobic lines.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

petty bourgeois

Hours too late for an actual Bone Apple Tea. I'm such a let-down.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

It's both, actually. I use Petty Bourgeoisie when speaking with non-Marxists sometimes, though it makes little difference.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Petit* bourgeois, it's French so you spelled it like it sounds.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's both, actually. I use Petty Bourgeoisie when speaking with non-Marxists sometimes, though it makes little difference.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

The Jan 6ers made the time. Not sure how many jobs they have.

Then? Unemployment. Now? Unemployment.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (6 children)
[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (18 children)
[–] lets_get_off_lemmy@reddthat.com 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Long, boring, hard to pay attention to. I read philosophy and theory sometimes but it's few and far between for those reasons. I really have to be in a special mood to sit down and read something that dense.

Edit: I'm not the original commenter

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 months ago

Long, boring, hard to pay attention to.

There are simpler, shorter, and easier works by Marx, Like Critique of the Gotha Programme, Wage Labor and Capital, as well as Value, Price, and Profit.

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[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Do you have a good starting point? I have a rudimentary understanding of Marxism, but not much in the way of details.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestions. Starting with Blackshirts and reds now.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

I have a lot of suggestions, but for starters, what do you know so far, and what do you think you're lacking in?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here's a good study list, but it's specifically about marxism, so some deprogramming from imperial propaganda first might be needed, Blackshirts and Reds (and most other books by Parenti) is good starting book in English

[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Thanks, that is a lot to sink my teeth into!

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

If you work 40 hours a week and you STILL can't afford to pay basic living expenses, then your economy sucks.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Girl is doing her best and changing what she can reasonably change within her locus of control.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

That's the cool part about the struggle against capitalism: Workers' labor and consciousness of how it is used and and withheld is the single most powerful tool within this locus of control, as said labor is the very foundation of the economic system. And the most cost-and-time-effective and reliable acts within this locus to reasonably change circumstances such as better pay and conditions are also the most effective ways of challenging capital itself, like unionizing and organizing direct action with a wider group to support you and together shoulder the burden and the associated risks of daring to raise your head against your masters.

It works double as a prime tool for furthering class-consciousness and class-solidarity (which capitalists already have with each other when push comes to shove). Which then makes continuance of this, and the spreading of this knowledge, capability, inspiration to other shops even easier. From experience, this costs much less time, effort, and spirit, and is much better at solidifying and maintaining better conditions (and not just for yourself but for everyone), than hurling yourself individually into the carousel-blender of endless additional gig work while everyone else is also made to do that individually, forever, in isolation from each other and utter hope-death, which helps this all perpetuate itself.

I've seen it happen where just the mere fact of a union vote being filed and date set results in an instant pay raise among discussion from bosses of "We're a family though! This will put others between us and things won't stay friendly! MUH OPEN-DOOR POLICY!! BUT WHAT ABOUT UNION DUES!?!" Granted, I've also seen it where bosses just close down that shop-branch and reopen elsewhere (sometimes under a new name to avoid legal ramifications for blatant union-busting) because they're so disgustingly rich and so scared of other branches catching wind and joining in, that it is deemed less costly than simply recognizing the will of their workers. So there is risk to be considered, hence the need to build awareness and solidarity among a wider organized group and in your community (and definitely also other branches/departments of your company, but with the care that it's harder to know who to trust in the early stages than among direct coworkers. Punishment for union-advocacy may be illegal, that doesn't mean the bosses won't try to find ways to do it if they don't think you've the support to make them pay for it).

But the defeatist and false, purely bourgeois-implanted notion that the only thing within one's locus of control as a worker is to sell yourself HARDER and make capitalists RICHER in the race-to-the-bottom death-spiral of moribund capitalism is exactly how things get this bad and continue to for working people and oneself. Workers are in reality much more powerful (and more numerous) than the capitalists who require us. That is why they need us to think we have no other or better option, and poison the well to have us perpetuate our own and each others' defeatism and compliance.

in short: Solidarity Forever

[–] 101@reddthat.com 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel that this post is a clear evidence of why do people believe in the dead internet theory.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, but would a bot creatively insult you, you slack-jawed, basement-dwelling rat fondler?

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

😢

The first law of robotics never said the pain couldn't be emotional.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 months ago

why do people

That's very 'green jolly giant' of you.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I strongly recommend everyone read the Principles of Communism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Dunno why this is getting downvotes, I wholeheartedly agree. Engels does a great job of laying out in basic terms a lot of the common questions regarding Communism, its history, and its necessity. Great introductory text.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago

That's why I recommended it

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

And it's written in buzzfeed listicle format! Engels truly ahead of his time.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

¿Porque no los dos?

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