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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20948249

Why are we letting algorithms rewrite the rules of art, work, and life?

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[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I know it's not about me, but this definitelt cleared up why i run from people in my free time.

They always express how they think i do things, like i'm at work or something. While i do things for joy, i take a detour home on my roadbike because the speed i can propel myself at brings me joy and a bit of a thrill too. The scenery is also very enjoyable.

But then another roadcyclist shows up and tells me how i'm doing it all wrong, how speed isn't a good measurement of performance.

Fuck yo performance brother, stop. It ruins my fun.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Such a common thing in the SelfHosted communities on Reddit and here too. It's always train this or that or learn this and that this cert that job this goal that performance bruh if you're a computer nerd it's okay to do stuff with computers just embrace it.

*Nothing wrong with goals or practicality, but so many are clearly just reaching for noble justifications for what they find fun, which is capitalist christian work ethic brainrot of the highest order.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Fun isn’t allowed anymore. Every hobby has been DLC’d out the wazzu. Also efficiency is the only metric anymore. Not human frivolous things like this so called ‘fun’

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

For incredibly obvious example of "efficiency rules everything", check out the Old School Runescape community.

A ton of grown adults trying to recapture the childhood magic of one old ass MMO that practically anyone could play for free... by optimizing things down to the server update "tick".

Doing things the "fun" way is sin, and looking for help getting through particularly grindy sections is liable to get you directed to the most ridiculously overoptimized solution ever that requires an absurd amount of effort to save an hour.

"The best way to tackle [LOW LEVEL GRIND] is to use [REWARD FOR UNRELATED HIGH LEVEL GRIND]. We will not discuss alternatives."

[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Sometimes i wish i had the balls to just tell them off, but that usally takes a lot of being pestered with bullshit until i snap back.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm having similar thoughts lately. As if after one trauma (12 years ago, or a bit more, one girl told me to "go to my mom" and a few more things) I stopped taking full responsibility for my own existence and started relying on external criteria, like performance, for example. And taking that responsibility again feels as if reality is real again.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oof, that sounds like it'll be an intense climb back in to reality!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, it's also a simplification - not a sudden realization and there were setbacks before. As always

[–] confusedpuppy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

I've noticed personally just how different my mind works when I am constantly presented with data for my actions. Even though these random data points have no real affect on my life, I'm still drawn to having those numbers be bigger than before. From the votes I receive from a social media comment to the reactions from a meme posted in a discord server, all I want is more attention through a click of a button from someone else's screen.

I hate it. It feels like my value is placed into a number. For me, I prefer my value to come from how I treat other people. I feel a far greater sense of self when I am able to put my time and effort into helping other people. I get to learn the inner workings of someone else and teach them to empower themselves. It feels rewarding when later on those people I helped express their gratitute and trust in me. That is far more rewarding compared to the quick hit from any brain chemistry when looking at a bunch of data points or a bunch of money.

Unfortunately, I can't make money this way. Not in the way I want to learn, teach and empower other people. I'm terrified of going into a career that will destroy my innate desire to help others. I know it'll wreck me in the process. Again.

Capitalism destroys everything it touches by sucking all the life, creativity and humanity out of it until there's a empty shell left behind. An empty shell that looks like every other empty shell. All those empty shells can be counted, given a value and sold. Reducing us and the human experience to yet another data point.

I truly hope more people come to understand that these data points don't have to put us in a competitions with each other. That our value as people can come from places that don't have/need to be from a number value.

One day, our planet will die. One day the last historian will die and all that data and preserved knowledge will sit and decay. It's human knowledge and it's meaning has more value to humans than any other living creature on our planet.

Personally, I'd rather live a life where my actions are responsible for the wellbeing of myself, my community and the land under my feet. It doesn't matter to me anymore if my value can't be reduced to a number.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 month ago

Same reason we allow rich walk over us and kill our planet, its easier to just not do anything about it. Its also hard to do anything when you dont know what to do and have nowhere to turn to for support. Sadly its group effort and price of not doing anything is hell.

[–] Mechaguana@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

"Given the chance, gamers will optimize out the fun" This is the same about real life when statistics apply to everything. This is why I decided to ignore any rule that anyone else would self impose or to others. You have to realize that the others are not living your life, you are. Who cares if you arent the best, the brightest, the wisest. Do what makes you happy. Be silly, be cringe, be angry, be sad. What matters is that you live a good life by your own standards. The world will dissapear when your conciousness will fade away, so why let numbers, humans, or ideas stand in your way from living the life you would have lived as a cave man, an artist, a farmer or whatever?

Comparaison is the thief of joy. So think less, and live more.

You can reason yourself into despair, or irrationally rise above it. What do you choose?

[–] orl0pl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

We are all data workers

[–] toothpaste_sandwich@feddit.nl 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Powerful and saddening. It does feel like, as an artist, everything revolves around how good others think you are. I try to go around it by only performing others people's work, but also then, you're dependent on those people wanting to work with you or not. Still dependent. Always dependent, as an artist, which is so so heavy.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The problem is though, how do you even call yourself an artist? What's art, and what's a doodle? Is it a degree? X amount of sales? Doing it under employment? So not indie? X hours of effort per work? X listeners on Spotify? Talent? Skill? How does one judge that? What criteria? How could one apply such criteria to oneself when we are so biased? When is someone a kid just putting blocks together in FL studio, and when is someone a musician? A composer? An artiste? Can I call myself an artist if my friends swear my songs are good? Am I going to be discovered after my death as a secret genius, or am I just churning out cacophanies that make sense to no one but myself, making me little more than a living argument that perhaps tools should be reserved for those who know how to use them, an ape armed with a musical shotgun?

Thinking about all this stuff just makes my silly empty head spin. I'm only a hobbyist, but I know an actual published playwright, theatre manager and hobbyist game dev who I greatly respect and admire as an artist and person once said "oh I'm not an artist though" as she was explaining game dev to me - a CS major, and it just obliterated something deep in my soul. girl, what then who even is.

Always Sunny gave a comforting answer in an episode once, it's when the right people say it is art, then it's art. As nonsensical as this answer is, it's at least an answer.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The always sunny explanation is better then most. Art is in the eye of the beholder. I think almost everything can be/is art, if you tried to create beauty or evoke emotion with design, it is art. No one can really call themselves an artist without sounding... Almost pompous? We are all artists.