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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 147 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Ah yes, you know what's better than a taxi driver? A taxi driver who relies on a camera with a limited field of vision, experiences input and video lag, and receives none of the tactile sensations that allow drivers to gauge road conditions.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 98 points 6 days ago (1 children)

also one that has no personal stake in the safety of their driving

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but you're ignoring one thing. I don't have to sit awkwardly hoping the driver doesn't talk to me. The risk/reward here might be screwed but I live dangerously.

Plus I welcome the opportunity to sue/fuck-over elon.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Nah it'll be in the terms and conditions that he's not personally responsible for any damages/injuries.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

People who don't drive themselves will be responsible for the UI of all this.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This really just comes down to people in a certain income brackets are uncomfortable being in close contact with a working class person.

That's why they don't like trains, that's why they don't like taxis.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

When are people ever going to figure out that Tesla's "autopilot" is a freaking scam?

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

The same day people realize relgion is a scam.

[–] PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works 118 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“Remotely control”, or “drive” if you will.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 94 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Only with worse vision, worse reflexes and probably worse pay

[–] Rykzon@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And without survival instinct or adrenaline to distract during decisions, great!

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 24 points 6 days ago

Worse pay and worse working conditions is the killer app of “tech” these days.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 6 days ago (2 children)

3 weeks later:

"Your honour, it was the ping!"

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[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

How about hiring people to drive the taxis.... Instead of hiring people to remotely drive the taxi... What exactly would be the difference??? Except actually having the driver in the vehicle is proven to work....

[–] kcuf@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You can hire someone in another country to drive remotely, so can find cheaper labor. They could also theoretically have them multitask driving multiple vehicles at once.

Edit to clarify, I don't think this is good, but I think people trying to make money (eg Musk) will push for these kinds of things regardless of the safety.

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Driving multiple vehicles at once??? Would you take a taxi driven by a person in another country who was not paying attention full attention to the one you are in???

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 days ago

Nobody ever said it was a sane plan.

That sounds safe /s

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Because latency and removing the personal accountability of not wanting to die in a car crash are a feature!

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago

optics. Tesla has attracted so much investment money, and tech enthusiast customers with the promise of fully self-driving vehicles that they need to keep the illusion at all cost.

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 70 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Hey more jobs for taxi drivers and safer to do from the comfort of your home. Just like a drone pilot!

Who would have thought that Taxi drivers one day would be able to work from home?

[–] VerPoilu@sopuli.xyz 56 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Lots of taxi drivers are already reckless. Imagine if they can drive remotely!

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They'll be driving multiple cars at the same time, while drunk.

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[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 20 points 6 days ago

Nah, they'll still have to come into the office 3-4 days a week for "collaboration" and "cross-team building". But they can do their drone whatsyhootzit from their cramped cubicles!

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is gonna kill people from the input lag alone.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 9 points 5 days ago

There was an incident not too long ago where one of these robo-taxis ran a woman over to avoid another car doing something it didn't expect and then it froze up and wouldn't move at all with the woman trapped under the car. There wasn't a driver to get out and help and it took a few minutes for bystanders to get involved to help her, and she ended up dying at the scene.

If we can't get rid of these monstrosities, at least having a human monitoring them that can call 911 is important, but that still doesn't solve the problem of there not being a human present to render aid if something goes wrong. (Not to imply that every human will be willing or able to render aid, but some chance of help is better than no chance of help.)

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

6 months from now it will be illegal to report crashes involving these cars.

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[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

They should hire ex US Air Force drone pilots.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The self-driving taxis and humanoid robots companies like Tesla are developing are just a thinly disguised way of getting around immigration law. We're a very long way away from having autonomous humanoid robots that can clean your house for you. But one remotely piloted by someone in Bangladesh wearing a haptic suit? If the tech was cheap enough, that sort of thing would be profitable.

It's effectively an extremely perverse and exploitive form of immigration. When we bring immigrants in, they typically take low-level jobs. But they also get opportunities to advance themselves further. Moreover, in the US at least, any children immigrants have on US soil automatically become US citizens. So yes, immigrants come in on the bottom of the social ladder, but they have an opportunity to climb.

Here though? This is a way of getting all the labor we want from immigrants but without offering them the usual deal in return. And even worse, they won't even be owed minimum wage.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tesla would not be the first robotaxi company to use this method. In fact, it’s an industry standard. It was previously reported that Cruise, the robotaxi company owned by General Motors, was employing remote human assistants to troubleshoot when its vehicles ran into trouble (the vehicles appear to have run into trouble every four to five miles). Google’s Waymo is also thought to employ the same practice, as does Zoox, the robotaxi firm owned by Amazon.

Ah, the old mechanical Turk trick. This time with chance of man slaughter.

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[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 15 points 5 days ago

That's like a normal taxi with extra steps!

[–] lipilee@feddit.nl 16 points 5 days ago

scammers pull the same shit over the world since the mechanical turk. at this point the joke's on us.

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Waymo is doing the same. Mostly self-driving but when they get stuck a human at a help center takes the sticks. There are a lot of edge cases in the real world so it makes sense to just have the car programmed to be very conservative and let a human deal with it.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 22 points 6 days ago

My concern is that some driving situations need to be resolved immediately. That handover could be an issue.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 38 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

And to quote the comic:

"Crowdsourced steering" doesn't sound quite as appealing as "self driving."

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[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Indian tech supports strike again

[–] Kaiserschmarrn@feddit.org 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So does he now want people working from home or not?

He's very inconsistent.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Oh, don't mistake. They'll still have to go into an office, they'll just be driving the cars remotely, most likely.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago

ahahahahahaha!!

That's freaking hilarious. Muskie is an idjit.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago

It is long past time we got over our child-like worship of billionaires.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"How was your day, honey ?"

"I killed thirty people in a pile-up on Hwy74 remotely. I'll be a little late."

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Just subreptitiously sell it as a video game, you won't even have to pay the drivers. I don't see what could go wrong with this plan.

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[–] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

I'm in, with generations of GTA experience

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Basically what the self driving food delivery robots do in Berkeley, then

They are pretty autonomous, but if they get stuck then someone in Colombia takes control

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[–] Juliana@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I thought the machine and Robot are gonna do everything lol

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