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Make a Linux app. Stop making distributions.

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[–] syd@lemy.lol 94 points 2 years ago (8 children)

WDYM so I shouldn’t make an anime flavored, Arch based distro named Archuwu?

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

UwUntu needs some competition

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can totally picture this. Cutesy sound effects, characters pulling up/down menus, sparkle effects...
Where can I get it?

[–] cocolopez@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago

ETA iso, wen?

[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Reminds me of this

[–] Doombot1@lemmy.one 8 points 2 years ago

Where is it? Give it to me now

[–] uis@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

You can make pony flavored Debian based distro named Derpian

[–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

You should, and you shouldn't let anyone stop you!

[–] Helix@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

Bruh this is needed

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 84 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why make new apps, we should be focusing on rewriting everything in Rust /s

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Just please no more electron.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can”t we just re-write Electron in Rust and then use it for everything else? /s

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're only half sarcastic, I can tell!

And they did apparently. It's called Tauri

[–] Declamatie@mander.xyz 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Are there other leptons I can create apps with?

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Obviously the version of Electron re-written in Rust would be Muon.

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[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Make a Linux app, make a Linux distro, who cares...

How about you just let people do what they enjoy doing.

[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 years ago

Make a Linux app, not war.

[–] conciselyverbose@kbin.social 28 points 2 years ago

Yeah, this is obnoxious.

It's also truly terrible at being persuasive.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The “Where to start” section should be a “Not You” meme, with Electron in the middle square

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Electron can be done well, like vscode does. In saying that, it almost never seems to happen

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm curious what witchcraft Microsoft did with VSCode to make it so responsive and performant when no other electron app is.

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Electron was made for Atom and I think, though I'm not 100% that code is based on Atom

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The term to look up is Monaco. That's the secret sauce part of VS Code that made it faster but I don't know enough about it to describe it well

[–] bellsDoSing@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Just looked it up a bit: https://microsoft.github.io/monaco-editor/

AFAIU, monaco is just about the editor part. So if an electron application doesn't need an editor, this won't really help to improve performance.

Having gone through learning and developing with electron myself, this (and the referenced links) was a very helpful resource: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/tutorial/performance

In essence: "measure, measure, measure".

Then optimize what actually needs optimizing. There's no easy, generic answer on how to get a given electron app to "appear performant". I say "appear", because even vscode leverages various strategies to appear more performant than it might actually be in certain scenarios. I'm not saying this to bash vscode, but because techniques like "lazy loading" are simply a tool in the toolbox called "performance tuning".

BTW: Not even using C++ will guarantee a performant application in the end, if the application topic itself is complex enough (e.g. video editors, DAWs, etc.) and one doesn't pay attention to performance during development.

All it takes is to let a bunch of somewhat CPU intensive procedures pile up in an application and at some point it will feel sluggish in certain scenarios. Only way out of that is to measure where the actual bottlenecks are and then think about how one could get away with doing less (or doing less while a bunch of other things are going on and then do it when there's more of an "idle" time), then make resp. changes to the codebase.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Atom was a lot less responsive and generally laggier than VSCode though. I used to use Atom and was surprised how much more responsive VSCode was.

[–] misophist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Didn't they basically take all the slow bits and rewrite them in not electron?

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is this site insane? On Linux I have access to so many more applications than other platforms. Sorry apple, ios apps repeating the same thing infinitely doesn't count.

[–] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

You are comparing Apples to oranges. While it may be true that Linux may have more software available, in my experience macOS has a shit ton of productivity software as well, and many times, due to being for-profit, of higher quality. That's exactly why I've been thinking about giving my own try to making a launcher like Raycast for Linux.

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Yeah I recently went back to Linux as a daily driver and was blown away how easy stuff like flatpaks made it to do everything I need quickly. That wasn’t the case last time I used Linux for something more than a quick and dirty VM host.

[–] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

dont listen to the noise, make a distro

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[–] uis@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Electron? Really? At this point you should pick web app.

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's fun and games... until you get lots of "...just like X command?" commentaries from randoms. Until you get sick of such and decide to do something non-productive instead. Unless there is money included in the former.

t. Been there, done that.

[–] OddFed@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

"Yes, exactly like this 🦆 command I didn't know of before."

[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its not like there many Windows "Apps" being made. Almost everything these days is web based on the desktop.

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[–] furycd001@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

How about instead of making yet another Linux distro, you just make an install script instead? I'm personally more likely to try out an install script over a totally pointless ISO....

[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry but no AUR mention?

[–] noisypine@infosec.pub 3 points 2 years ago

I'm interested in new distributions, but it really needs to do something new. Different default packages with a handful of custom things on top of an existing distro just doesn't cut it. Give me a NixOS, Puppy Linux, ReactOS(I know it's not a distro) or something else unique. I'm tired of Debian/Ubuntu based distros, if I wanted Debian or Ubuntu, I would use them.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Maybe we need a new distro that comes with vscode installed so we don’t have to do it!

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