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Anyone here tried Owncloud? (lemmy.zip)
submitted 2 months ago by possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I've gotten a bit tired of Nextcloud as of late an I'm curious it is a viable alternative. I like having Nextcloud Talk but I can live without it.

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[–] JakeSparkleChicken@midwest.social 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In the beginning, there was ownCloud. They were a good FLOSS offering that decided to start catering solely to corporate customers in the hopes of juicy support contracts. The community who had been contributing the majority of the code gave them a mighty "Fork you" and created NextCloud.

That was about ten years ago. I haven't looked into ownCloud for the last seven or so, but it had stagnated pretty badly by that point. Maybe they've gotten some fresh blood since then, but you'll likely find it to be quite lacking in features and plugins comparatively.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I like that they are using Go instead of Php

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I had heard they had rewritten it in go and got a lot more performant, not sure what else they have done. I don't care much about the politics as long as it's still open source (is it?).

That said, I'm a happy nextcloud user and I don't see a reason to switch (after moving both data and db onto SSDs it's much faster, so maybe php wasn't the bottleneck).

[–] JakeSparkleChicken@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's interesting that they refactored it. Maybe there have been some improvements made over the last seven years.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It wasn't refactored. It was totally rewritten

That doesn't mean it is actually good though

[–] samc@feddit.uk 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Be aware there are basically two different things called Owncloud. There's still the original php version, which is similar to nextcloud but worse (not open source, smaller plugin ecosystem I think)

On the other hand is owncloud "infinite scale" (or ocis). This is the thing entirely written in go. But as others have pointed out, it's little more than a file server at this point.

IMO the self-hosting community is really missing a self-contained "all the DAVs" server (files, calendar, contacts). Baikal etc seem like a great start, but it would be great to have somewhere to get those parts pre-assembled. Until then, nextcloud works for me.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I thought that as well. Just give me a headless Dav Server and have people create frontends for it

[–] xrun_detected@programming.dev 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Owncloud seems to be pretty much over IIRC.

The company behind it got bought be some american company in 2023, that promised that everything will "stay as open as it is" - you won't believe what happened next ;)

Then recently many of the developers left to join OpenCloud, which seems to be a fork of owncloud, lead by a german open source veteran.

https://github.com/opencloud-eu

[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

NextCloud already forked from owncloud?

[–] xrun_detected@programming.dev 15 points 2 months ago

Well, yes, but...

nextcloud forked owncloud back when there was only the php codebase.

opencloud forked owncloud ocis, which is a rewrite in go.

So while both forked "owncloud", or "something named owncloud", i doubt they'll have any code in common.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

I really would like to switch to them, it seems way more responsive than Nextcloud and I only really need a Web/CalDav server and don't want to have that in two different services

[–] bigDottee@geekroom.tech 13 points 2 months ago

Like others, I started with owncloud but when Nextcloud forked I switched within a year. I haven’t looked back and is working without any issues and is performant.

I don’t really care about the enterprise shit since it’s not being shoved in my face 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] TheFANUM@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Nextcloud is the improvement.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I used to but had issues with it. Switched to Nextcloud.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If you're looking for a good Nextcloud replacement I recommend Seafile. Been using it for years, very solid.

[–] xi00@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I can second that, I've been using seafile and Baikal for about a year now coming from next cloud. The systems are so much smoother and less resource hungry. Next cloud is good when you have a small company, which I don't think applies to many self hosters. I have everything inside a docker compose setup, so everything from backups to updates is much easier, and with a nginx proxy and proper network isolation I don't have security concerns with running smaller tools such as Baikal on my machine.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's just for files though. I'm looking for calendar and contact management as well

[–] spiffpitt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

have you looked into baikal?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I'm playing with it now. So far so good, after a rocky setup.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep. I like next cloud much better.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I just need to clean up my install so it isn't so bogged down.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You running it on bare metal? Much better that way vs docker in my experience

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I've been using a docker stack for Nextcloud for years without issues, after switching to postgres it also got a lot faster

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah I’ve heard this from a few people with similar setups, Postgres does seem to alleviate a lot of the performance bottleneck from running virtualized for whatever reason.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I might switch to AIO. Maybe podman if I get inspired. Bare metal is just way to hard to maintain. I could automate it with Ansible but at that point I might as well use containers.

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I've had no problems with the normal nextcloud apache container for the last couple years. I lock to a major version and let it update itself on the minors until I feel like like changing the yaml to the next major. I've gone from 24 to 30 this way without issue.

Actually, I do have to install the contacts and calendar apps from time to time but that's only when I want to use the webUI for them, caldav/carddav has always worked.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

AIO is performant and much easier to maintain. If there was a method to try to run Nextcloud in the last decade, I probably tried it, and nothing has compared to the AIO.

[–] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I have the docker AIO going for about a year after every other form of install exploded itself. So far so good.

[–] PatrickYaa@lemmy.one 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have yet to install it, but I plan to run it "baremetal" in a Debian VM, would that be better than in a docker, or do I actually need to run it baremetal, in parallel/ on a different system than proxmox? (Or it's own LXC container)

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I’m honestly not sure, you’re discussing a few corner cases that I haven’t tried out personally. I think you’d just have to do your own testing to see. I suspect the more layers of abstraction, the more they could potentially slow you down, but can’t say if it would be experienced the same way some of us who ran in docker had observed.

Proxmox is quite powerful, if you get it setup and running smoothly it would be awesome to hear back about how you did it!

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

From personal experience, Docker is fine. Just be sure to use postgres instead of the default mariadb and you're golden

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

How is it set up? What are you running it on?

My Nextcloud instance doesn't use a ton of resources. But I'm on a somewhat beefy machine (16GB RAM, 8-core CPU), so YMMV.

[–] Scrubber0777@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

I am using Owncloud OCIS now. A much leaner version and provides just the file sharing and doc editing feature.

Hosting with docker with just one container is fairly straight forward and easy if you don't need document editors.

So far has been very performant.

[–] Tiritibambix@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

I talked about it here last year