it's a small company and the fw16 is still up to date.
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Wouldn't call it up to date, but that's fair. I just hoped they would focus more on things like the FL16 instead of making stuff like the FD (which has barely even launched and is already flopping).
In what way is it "already flopping"?
the fw16 is one generation behind which means absolutely nothing. the fd sold out 8 batches within hours of being announced. you seem to be implying the fd is a pointless device (if not, my bad for misinterpreting) but you are missing that the goal of framework is to make things that are better for consumers and more sustainable, meaning that with how big AI has gotten they need to provide something that makes it less harmful and allows it to be interacted with by people outside of big companies with agendas.
Product iteration is slow and it's very likely that these things coming out now (the 12 in specific) were in the pipeline before the 16 released.
Yeah, I agree, something to do with the 16 should have been given in this release. I disagree wholly with the idea of creating two new skews before making true the implicit promises of the 16 (upgradability, interchangeability, and a 240 watt charger. Though, no charger like that exists for USB-C yet from anyone so that ones a bit more understandable)
The PC I personally assume was them being pressured by investors to do something "AI". That's a real thing that as a web dev I've been seeing like crazy. Investors are pushing absurdly hard for something AI. This, likely, was the quickest to ship product they could hold up to satiate the beast.
Yeah, it is disapointing. Understandable though and I personally didn't expect an upgrade any time soon myself but it's a slap in the face for the 16 buyers and concerning to say the least. If the 16 fails to deliver on a laptop with an upgradable dGPU, it'll be another on a very long list.
Building electronics can be a long process. The FW16 itself experienced many months of delays before it was finally released to preorder. Also, the 13" board that runs the same generation as the FW16 came out before the FW16.
As a FW16 owner, I'd love some news myself, but they did just add two whole new SKUs which is going to take up some component of R&D time. They may be working at a tick/tock cadence for updating small devices then coming back to the large device.
Yeah, I get that, but shouldn't they have focused on making the existing products live up to their promise of upgradeability before releasing new SKUs?
My guess is power. 240w on usb-c is a challenge for overall power budget, and they don’t even sell 240w power supplies yet, only 180w.
There is one "available" from Delta. https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Delta-Electronics/ADP-240KB-BA?qs=i8QVZAFTkqQOWRm1%252BUmOUA%3D%3D
Sure, I own one, my point was that Framework doesn't even sell one yet.
Ah, how lucky. I can't find one in stock anywhere.
I guess I don't really need it, but still!
Look at the last gen chips for the 13. It's the 7000 series. They usually skip a generation, for whatever reason.
I don't remember there being a generation between 7000 and HX 300.
Yeah there was a 8000 series.
Scroll down to "processor specifications" then over to 8000
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen.html#tabs-1181ea0b44-item-5ab2791027-tab
I'm pretty sure they mentioned it in the Q&A they did after the launch event. I didn't remember exactly what they said though.