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[–] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] Zink@programming.dev 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

USian here, and totally agree. The willful ignorance is stunning to behold.

But help me with my potential ignorance here - is this meme also suggesting that ordinary citizens of other developed countries know about these things? Do high school history and social studies classes have a day or a week that discuss US imperialism & shady dealings of recent decades?

My impression has always been that people in other countries read about this awful shit in the same places I do online, and that the differences in mainstream knowledge are about much more basic stuff like coal and climate change being bad while healthcare is good.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago

Belgian here. Nope. No idea what they're on about.

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

A lot of this is really old so it's the kind of thing my parents casually mentioned when I was growing up.

But then we learn the details at University, either in history classes or more broadly in any kind of discussion of colonialism, neoimperialism, etc.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do high school history and social studies classes have a day or a week that discuss US imperialism & shady dealings of recent decades?

No, that's the entire curriculum. Kinda impossible not to properly discuss a country's hystory without mentioning the US when the US has been fucking with it

[–] owsei@programming.dev 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Which country?

In Brazil there have been several pretty important meddlings, but at most the schools say that there where "several parties involved"

Like our dictatorship, where I'd only learnt "other countries incentivized the coup"

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I've heard from many south american comrades, that their school systems have memory-holed this entire historical period of anti-communist massacres. Only now with the pink tide in some of these countries, is there any chance of liberals getting educated about their past.

[–] owsei@programming.dev 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, 100%

No, that's the entire curriculum [...]

I was asking about what country has US meddling as a considerable fraction of the curriculum

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago

Pretty much only the AES countries. Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, China, Cuba.

[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 22 hours ago

Austrian here - 1st question: no idea. 2nd question: no Same here, US imperialism was never discussed as such in my history lessons during the late 80ies and 90ies. Would read about these atrocities only mich later, maybe in more "official" sources only if you're a student of history or politics and such.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

How they will teach about the military dictatorship era of my country without mentioning Operation Condor?

[–] Bldck@beehaw.org 117 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (20 children)
  • Operation Condor: right wing dictators in South America repressing leftists with the support of Americans and possibly the French
  • Gladio: Post WWII Allied Forces and then NATO intelligence operations to delegitimize and destabilize leftist groups in Eastern Europe from end of WWII through the 1990s
  • Ranch Hand: US led effort to destroy the foliage and agricultural land in Vietnam to deprive the Viet Cong of food and places to stage attacks
  • PBSuccess: CIA led coup d’état in Guatemala at the request of the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita)
  • Phoenix Program: CIA led effort to infiltrate the Viet Cong
[–] kortex64@jlai.lu 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gladio targeted all of Europe, not just the East. Remember that the Communist parties were strong in the west too, especially in Italy and France. Hell, they were part of the government under De Gaulle as members of the coalition.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 5 points 18 hours ago

The cia under dulles had a few plots to assassinate De Gaulle. And yet still somehow the French didn't care and aligned with the US anyway.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thx. I def recommend reading some articles that get into the depravity of some of these. Outside of the at least half a million people killed in the above operations, the coups, tortures, dissappearances, and entire communities wiped out is staggering.

Some more short blurbs on these :

  • Starting in the 1970s, a CIA-backed coalition of right wing governments in Argentina, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil, began Operation Condor, a campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents, with the stated aim of "eliminating Marxist subversion." Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerillas. An estimated 30,000 to 80,000 leftists or sympathizers were killed. 1
  • From the 1950s-90s, the CIA and NATO ran a series of clandestine networks, headquartered in Rome, Italy called Operation Gladio. Its purpose was supplying aid (primarily money and weaponry) to right wing paramilitaries to attack left-wing movements, and carry out assassinations and bombings, as well as funnel money to centrist political parties. It had operations in Belgium, Finland, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and Austria. In Italy, the group had 600+ members, and carried out car bombings during Italy's years of lead. In Germany, it included former Nazi SS members—Staff Sgt. Heinrich Hoffman, Lt. Col. Hans Rues, and Lt. Col. Walter Kopp. CIA weapons caches are still being discovered in all the countries above.
  • From the 1940s - 60s, the CIA provided an average of $5 million annually in covert aid towards financially supporting centrist Italian governments and using the awarding of contracts to weaken the Italian Communist Party's hold on labor unions. It was also involved in bombings and assassinations as a part of Operation Gladio.
  • Between 1963 and 1973, The US dropped ~388,000 tons of napalm bombs in vietnam, compared to 32,357 tons used over three years in the Korean War, and 16,500 tons dropped on Japan in 1945. US also sprayed over 5 million acres with herbicide, in Operation Ranch Hand, in a 10 year campaign to deprive the vietnamese of food and vegetation cover. 1,2
  • In 1967, the CIA helped South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in villages, in the Phoenix Program. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had executed between 26,000 and 41,000 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters.1
  • In 1965, The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Indonesian leader Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA had been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, aided by the CIA, massacred between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being communist, in the Indonesian mass killings of 1965-66. The US continued to support Suharto throughout the 70s, supplying weapons and planes.
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Operation Condor: The Brazilian military overthrew president João Goulart in 1964.

a bunch of it was because of his intent to do land reform. we remain the world's farm to this day while most of our people starve. groceries are super expensive in one of the the biggest agrarian countries on the planet. of course they quite literally tortured and killed lefitsts left and right to the point the movement died and we turned into a reactionary country.

maybe in 40 years they will release the files on how they helped bolsonaro into power. it will remain in the realm of speculation until then. we are just lucky he was really incompetent.

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[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unitedestadian has long been the term used to describe USA citizens by the Spanish-speaking population of the Americas. Not their fault the country picked a length intro title and a vague region as their country name. Imagine if the UK was the UKE, United Kingdom of Europe, and called themselves Europeans by default. The other 90% would be pissed and make their own names, no?

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

same for portuguese speaking countries afaik, we use "estadunidense". many bootlickers say "americano" though, i imagine thats the case for spanish-speaking countries too.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Oh those darn bootlickers! 😅

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Instead of 'american' or USian or others, why not Yankee? It has historical significance to the united states, originated a a pejorative, and the south hates it. Perfect

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m literally a yankee, as in a lifelong resident of the area north of the Mason-Dixon line and I’ve visited several historical civil war sites over the decades because they’re among the inexpensive points of interest within several hours of here.

I think you’re both kind of right. Everything the previous comment said is correct IMO about it starting with a negative connotation and people in the south probably hating it. But modern online usage feels pretty respectful too. Even in a professional setting, if I were on a typical call and somebody from Europe referred to somebody thousands of km (or miles, lol) away on the other side of the US as one of the yankees/yanks, I don’t think it would even register as something I’d remember. (well NOW it will because of this comment, thanks lemmy! :D )

Plus more recently, those of us who do wild shit like pay attention to the outside world don’t exactly take offense to people insulting this fucked up country/government/culture/etc. We’re right here agreeing with you. So something like “yankee” doesn’t stand out much when you read somebody across the world write “fuck all USians” and you think to yourself “…I can see that. That’s fair.”

[–] chad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I've also heard that there's no true Yankee. Kinda like there's no true Scottsman. For someone in Mexico, all Yankees are from USandA and that's all they care about. For someone in Louisiana (myself) all Yankees are from north of the Mason-Dixon. For someone in Ohio, all Yankees are from the northeast somewhere. For someone in Jersey, all Yankees are just a bit further northeast. Maybe try Boston, they'll say. If you ask someone in Boston where to find a Yankee, they'll direct you to some street corner or a pub.

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[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How...How have I gone so long without hearing about any of this at all? Like I always hear we are evil, but the specifics are chalked up to 'cold war hysteria/propaganda'

Consider me spooked, and many thanks for the awareness boost OP!

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

US history programs are 95% propaganda so it’s not surprising.

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[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wait, really?

Unfortunately this meme is only part of it. Things like covering up Unit 731 didn't even get mentioned.

[–] tisktisk@piefed.social 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Well where is the all of it, and why is it all so tough to find for willing individuals? I seek to be more aware I promise

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

The malevolence of US foriegn policy is woven like a tapestry throughout modern history.

I'm not sure that anyone has been mean-spirited enough to write a single source detailing all of it in one place, but perhaps someone else can suggest one.

If you want to know how it gets hidden from you, Manufacturing Consent is old but a good place to start.

I haven't heard it myself but the Behind the Bastards podcast about Henry Kissinger is often recommended and probably covers a significant amount of US involvement in foriegn genocides.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (8 children)

First time seeing "United Statesian" idek what to say besides I hope to never encounter it again

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well, you guys should have come up with a better demonym that didn't belong to the entire continent(s)

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