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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

i will train my jailbroken kindle too...display and storage training... i'll just libgen them...no worries...it is not piracy

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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Good luck breaking down people's doors for scanning their own physical books for their personal use when analog media has no DRM and can't phone home, and paper books are an analog medium.

That would be like kicking down people's doors for needle-dropping their LPs to FLAC for their own use and to preserve the physical records as vinyl wears down every time it's played back.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Can I not just ask the trained AI to spit out the text of the book, verbatim?

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's pretty simple as I see it. You treat AI like a person. A person needs to go through legal channels to consume material, so piracy for AI training is as illegal as it would be for personal consumption. Consuming legally possessed copywritten material for "inspiration" or "study" is also fine for a person, so it is fine for AI training as well. Commercializing derivative works that infringes on copyright is illegal for a person, so it should be illegal for an AI as well. All produced materials, even those inspired by another piece of media, are permissible if not monetized, otherwise they need to be suitably transformative. That line can be hard to draw even when AI is not involved, but that is the legal standard for people, so it should be for AI as well. If I browse through Deviant Art and learn to draw similarly my favorite artists from their publically viewable works, and make a legally distinct cartoon mouse by hand in a style that is similar to someone else's and then I sell prints of that work, that is legal. The same should be the case for AI.

But! Scrutiny for AI should be much stricter given the inherent lack of true transformative creativity. And any AI that has used pirated materials should be penalized either by massive fines or by wiping their training and starting over with legally licensed or purchased or otherwise public domain materials only.

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[–] fum@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What a bad judge.

This is another indication of how Copyright laws are bad. The whole premise of copyright has been obsolete since the proliferation of the internet.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 7 points 1 week ago (23 children)

What a bad judge.

Why ? Basically he simply stated that you can use whatever material you want to train your model as long as you ask the permission to use it (and presumably pay for it) to the author (or copytight holder)

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[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

calm down everyone. its only legal for parasitic mega corps, the normal working people will be harassed to suicide same as before.

its only a crime if the victims was rich or perpetrator was not rich.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This ruling stated that corporations are not allowed to pirate books to use them in training. Please read the headlines more carefully, and read the article.

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