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[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 184 points 9 months ago (23 children)

I hate Tik Tok and also hate copyright disputes but can't help but smile when these big corporations have arguments over money and people start taking sides, like Tik Tok or Universal cares about any of their customers.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 69 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I’m on side “Let them fight”.

[–] ARk@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Let them cook each other

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Let them almost kill each other, then whoever is dragging themselves away from the fight go over and American History X their entire business.

I can dream....

[–] ares35@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

that's how i am when the big media companies and the cable/satellite companies fight over fees and retransmission rights.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 120 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll take, "Things That Won't Affect Me at All" for $400, Alex.

[–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Universal music owns the rights to Remember (walking in the sand) by the Shangri-las.

Oh no.

Oh no.

Oh no no no no no.

[–] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If somebody can scrap that annoying song from the internet it would be win for humanity

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The song is amazing, it’s the horrible sped up lyrics that are awful.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only they also owned the rights to the annoying AI voice they use too.

[–] pythonoob@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

God I thought I was the only one who fucking can't stand that voice. Whenever I complain about it everyone else is just so nonchalant.

[–] mxcory@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago

Those oh no's made me remember "Oh no you didn't" from Mercenaries 2. Had to listen to it.

Unrelated, but in wanted to complain about being reminded of the song. And now I want a Mercs 3...

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (6 children)

this is everything awful about the modern internet. i hate that they can just go and retroactively destroy creations like this. imagine if someone lost the rights to a song and they forced you to send the cassette back

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't use TikTok, do creators buy music fron TikTok to put in videos?

[–] Overzeetop@sopuli.xyz 12 points 9 months ago

No, the music overlay music offered in the app is licensed and can be added. Creators who are performing covers, I believe, generally have the license held by TikTok or have their videos muted/taken offline. Special arrangements are made for intentional or encouraged content . That is a guess, but things like Megan Trainor’s “Gucci” where she is both the original artist and a participant would be a case like this. I would think Grace Kelly and sing alongs on arrangement-bound copyright material like Pentatonix doing public domain carols (or even Roger’s and Hammerstein) are negotiated licensing if outside of their pre-negotiated license.

[–] Lightdm@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No, they just put it as background music in their videos, but didn't actually pay for it. I would guess it constitutes fair use?

[–] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 53 points 9 months ago

Luckily, copyright law is based on guesses!

[–] ARNiM@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fair use is context based. There is no simple yes or no answer.

[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In this case there is. Background music is not fair use.

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Copyright and ip laws are so fucked in favor of rent-seeking megacorps who hold their hands out expectantly for shit someone else created decades ago.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Does it mean that all of existing tiktoks with universal's music will now be silent or is it only going to affect new videos?

[–] nicetriangle@kbin.social 62 points 9 months ago

God it would be great for a huge back catalog of tiktok videos to just be lame tweens dancing in silence.

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[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Wouldn't all those cringe lip syncs count as fair use under parody?

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably not, the internet seems to think that fair use is much broader than it actually is in practice. The use of copyright materials to produce a work which relies entirely on those materials is not covered when no editorial value is created by the second work. Lipsyncing isn’t parody, essentially.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A lot of people on the internet don't realize how much content is plain copyright infringement that simply doesn't get pursued. Memes, fanart, edits, covers, so forth.

Personally I think that should be reason to rethink how IP law is written, if the average person doesn't find so many uses infringing and they have become part of the typical cultural habits. But that hasn't happened.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You could make that argument, but the users would need to get the unedited songs from a legitimate source first. Tiktok wouldn't be able to provide them directly without infringing copyright.

[–] THEDAEMON@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 months ago

I hope not for the sake of society

[–] CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Good, Tiktok has tiktokified enough brains by now.

Let the brains restore and get used to longer form content.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah!

swipes through Lemmy shitposts for the next three hours as my last two brain cells cry out in pain

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

UM is almost the sole reason why copyright claims on youtube are such a hellscape, so I'll gladly enjoy seeing them fight TikTok on this.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Isn't TikTok a video making platform? What catalogue...?

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

TikTok was originally an app called Musically where people would lip-sync over songs. Music was/is the core of the app so copyrighting songs would cut down the majority of their content.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There are estimates of this impacting between a few hundred million to a billion videos...

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[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Controversial take but...

Yes, tiktok has several serious glaring issues as a platform but being such an absolutely huge platform, it has been (for a while now) much more than teen dance app. It's a platform that under represented and minority groups have found an audience to share their voice. The are legit journalists, artists, celebrities, organizations, dank memers, etc using the platform for good.

Obv it would be great if it wasn't all on tiktok (isn't there a federated equivalent?) but seeing people rejoice wherever something bad happens to the platform just lacks... nuance I guess. I know it's hard to compare social media platforms, but from what I can tell it's one of the less controlling, censor heavy platforms. And it's not owned by Elon Musk lol

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