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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a phrase that gets passed around the tech scene: "Linux is only free if your time has no value." Because, yes, Linux and other open-source apps are free to download and use. In a world driven by money, you'd expect the free version to overtake the paid one. The problem is, the paid option...just works.

Sure, until the paid option does something anti-competitive or gets too expensive or shuts down entirely, and you have to switch to a different paid option, sometimes burning dozens of hours in switching time (and/or hundreds of hours of work through lost or corrupted data) in the process. Not to mention the transition costs of just figuring out the new thing. Why not just switch to something that won't go away, or be changed under your feet?

The problem is that it needs that initial time investment to get it working the way you want it.

Maybe I'm just enough of a tinkerer in any situation that I've put pretty much the same amount of time into fiddling with my Linux settings as I did with my last Windows computer.

If your hardware isn't working properly, you have to find drivers that run on Linux; if the developer never made Linux-compatible drivers, you have to figure something else out.

People have been talking about this for my entire life, but in the past year of my switch to Linux, it has literally never happened once. I downloaded a new, open-source driver for my drawing tablet because it had some extra features that I wanted, but even it worked out of the box. I've never experienced this incompatibility. Honestly I've never even had trouble with software I wanted not being available for my distro.

Am I doing Linux wrong?

Windows doesn't have this problem.

LOL.

Installers made for Windows don't need any special TLC;

ROFL!

you double-click them and they work.

OH wait they're serious?!

Once they're installed, they work. If you need to install a driver, it works. You open a document in Office, it works.

Sure, if you don't run into a permissions issue. And if the system registry doesn't get corrupted. And if you're not on an ARM machine. And if your TPM is the right version. And if you're on the right subversion of Windows. And if a previous install didn't leave some remnant of itself behind. And if you don't want to do anything with an Apple device at all. And if sometimes you have the right fonts installed?

Honestly, I think I've had fewer problems installing Linux applications than Windows applications, but I can't attest to that. I think I can be pretty confident in saying that they're mostly equivalent. Both of them are pretty mature platforms with fairly minimal hiccups, in my experience.

And if something doesn't work, we can yell at Microsoft until they publish a fix that makes it work again.

That's a weird way of spelling "until they ignore it for six months and then lock the support thread for inactivity."

Microsoft has gotten us into a state where we don't need to think, tinker, or troubleshoot our software. We just double-click the icon and wait for it to "just work." If it doesn't, it's someone else's issue to solve, and we flood social media and support emails until the issue is resolved.

Here I have to agree with the article, because whatever the reality of installing applications on Windows, this is the fiction they've sold us. Apple, too. All operating systems have troubles, and all vendors try to downplay them and fix the stuff that causes problems for most of their users. Linux is just honest about the fact that they can't make everything a perfectly smooth experience for everyone.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

I work on a day to day basis with Microsoft products and services, including cloud environments, SQL databases, Azure lakes, etc.

I do it ALL from Linux, and if I have to I will remote into windows machines. I do it because I don't have time for Windows nonsense. I need my machine to work, so I can work and get paid. Linux is easy to set up and has very few surprises. It just works.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

hey LibreOffice when are you gonna make the keyboard shortcuts in LibreOffice Calc match the keyboard shortcuts in Microsoft Excel?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wait, isn't this just a matter of generating a config text file that you could set keybindings with that would specify all the custom keybindings necessary to give a basic degree of commonality in keybindings for a newbie?

Coming from emacs the idea that a program as complex as the Libreoffice suite wouldn't have a generalized modular way to shift between different keybindings styles is a bit odd to me. Isn't it just a matter of exposing the keybindings in a text file config format that could easily be imported/loaded into your Libreoffice program?

I don't have any skin in this game, but I do think that it is worth emphasizing how useful it is to accomodate people who want radically different keyboard shortcut styles, or rather how obviously common sense it is to prioritize this in development. Keep a main keybinding style, specify a config format and then let the weirdos fiddle with alternate keybindings on the side.

Keyboard shortcuts can be dealbreakers especially for someone stressed out and overwhelmed who is having trouble getting momentum in a new software, thus for an open source project this is a natural target for software development focus because it is possibly one of the simplest, most effective and broadly applicable ways to expand the usefulness of a software tool to a bigger audience (who will hopefully eventually become contributors or support the community in some way themselves).

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's the rub. The last time I checked, there was no way to package keybindings in a modular way, which is a massive oversight in my opinion for a project meant to replace that which millions of office workers have years of muscle memory engrained

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It feels like making a car for an international market that is meant for anybody but is locked into one language in the user interface for no good reason and either can't be changed without overhauling a big part of the car construction process involving somehow parts of the actual powertrain needing to be changed or it is only a moderately difficult process to begin and they haven't prioritized it which makes me wonder how they establish priorities for creating a car that is useful to as much of the world as possible in the first place...

I mean I am thankful for useful FOSS software, and having ANY alternative to microsoft office, especially a functional free option is amazing.... it is just... come on LibreOffice!!!!!

Let a cottage community of weird LibreOffice keybinding schemes flourish!!!

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Probably never

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