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[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 95 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't say all problems are because of capitalism. I do believe that most of the problems I face are exacerbated by capitalism.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml 91 points 11 months ago

And most of the time you'd be right.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 71 points 11 months ago (145 children)
[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 10 points 11 months ago (23 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Neither of those are what leftists say. Capitalism doesn't work because of the structure itself, you have problems like the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall, and the inherent exploitation within. You cannot have Capitalism without exploitation, and you can't have Capitalism with democratization of production, even if you had a perfectly selfless Capitalist, it still wouldn't be democratic and would still have the same structural issues.

Similarly, Communism isn't "people working for the common good," it's people working to improve their own material conditions. Just because production is democratized doesn't mean it depends on people working for absolutely no reason.

There are non-strawman arguments you could make, but this ain't it.

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[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wherever there is a need there is potential for exploitation by greed. Of course capitalists without a leash are going to wreak havoc on everything.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism by definition is about exploiting labor and extracting wealth. Commerce is the ethical application of purchasing goods and services.

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Why do you say commerce is specifically ethical? I've always considered it more neutral and up to implementation.

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[–] set_secret@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism acts like a car hurtling down a highway with no brakes, powered by the roaring engine of industry.

Its insatiable thirst for growth and profits accelerates industrial activity to reckless speeds, steamrolling environmental concerns in its pursuit of relentless expansion.

Industry isn't the villain; it's merely the engine being pushed to its limits by capitalism's uncontrolled, destructive momentum.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Blaming everything on capitalism is oversimplistic and reductive, to be honest.

Climate collapse is a result of industrialization and not capitalism, to start. Unless you want to explain how Stalin and Mao were still burning coal.

[–] Elderos@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Whatever social economic model which can funnel power and authority to the very top is bond to ruin us. Humans are too greedy to sit at the top of such hierarchies.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yep, that's why decentralization is so important, and why leftist organizational structure ie decentralization and democratization of production is going to be so critical moving forward.

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[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution are inseparable from one another. The failure of 20th century Socialist states to adequately address green energy goals can be attributed to rapid industrialization to attempt to keep pace with Capitalist entities.

Going forward, the reason why Green Energy isn't the standard in the US is due to oil companies, not efficiency. The profit motive stands in direct confrontation with the good of all.

That's just Climate Change, too. Capitalism's failures of hierarchical and consumerist nature will exist as long as Capitalism exists.

Not every problem is because of Capitalism, but many are, and at the end of the day this is just a meme.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Besides what another commenter noted about indistrialization being product of capitalism and then fierce competition, here's one more thing:

Do you see all those green activists buying reusable bags? Taking their bottles, recycling everything? Well, this has already been there in the past, and most notably - in socialist countries. Pretty much till its death USSR, for example, heavily favored reusable things, there just weren't plastic bags and plastic bottles and all that waste, and recycling, especially of glass and metal and paper, was a super normal thing and people got money/trade-in for that.

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[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, capitalist do the same thing. See a problem? Apply capitalism

[–] giggling_engine@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I disagree and I'll explain why for $20

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Most times is Ronald Reagan, but yeah, capitalism in it's most exalted forms of exploitation is the reason.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

And it's the root cause vast majority of the time.

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[–] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 12 points 11 months ago

The greatest crimes are caused by excess and not by necessity.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago
[–] mydude@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (39 children)

It's funny cause it's true.

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[–] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 months ago

Well, you're usually in the general vicinity of the root cause of any problem by that assumption.

[–] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

99% of Lemmy, but unironically.

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