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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Like Idiocracy has been a manual for the US, V for Vendetta is a manual for the UK.

For fuck sake people, these are movies of worlds we DON'T want to live in.

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Good luck preventing someone from getting a vps in the another country and doing their own tunnel. It can be done in such a way is undetectable at the protocol level. Coming up next age verification for ssh.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What they can likely do is the same as with porn sites: require law-abiding, trusted and well-known VPN providers to do age verification, thus pushing people to more obscure and risky providers who don't care about the law instead.

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[–] dan@upvote.au 81 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Only commercial VPNs? So HTTP proxying, Tor, SSH tunneling, SOCKS tunneling, running your own VPN node, etc are all allowed? There's plenty of VPS hosting companies that don't need ID or proof of age to sign up. Even if the UK requires this, you can just sign up for a server outside the UK.

There's also weird approaches that work but not many systems catch, like tunneling stateless data (like HTTP responses) over DNS TXT lookups.

When I was in high school in the 2000s, kids figured out how to bypass the internet filtering at school. Kids these days have way more resources available to them, making it even easier to do.

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[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 90 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Seeing this from the US scares me. I already have an elaborate system for tunneling my traffic out of the country without it appearing I’m doing so from my end devices.

But seeing this happening in the UK and knowing there’s a chance of it happening here, I really feel the need to get into China-style circumvention with shadowsocks and what have you, and I need to figure this out sooner rather than later.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

21 states have laws for age verification on porn sites. 4 more states are in the process of passing laws for age verification. That's nearly half the states...

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[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

UK has a massive budget problem and they still keep increasing expenditure on surveillance. That social value is negative at this point as its taking money away from critical services. Well done to the Government continuing the worsen debt, health, and wellbeing of the population. A terrorist will kill 5-10 people, failure to protect the health & well being of population (who needs a roof over their head) it just pales in comparison.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (22 children)

UK has a massive federal budget problem...

The UK isn't a Federal Country. It's a Unitary state with Devolution. I know it is basically a Federal state in Practice (Holyrood, Cardiff Bay and Stormont all have varying amounts of autonomy) but the distinction is significant.

and they still keep increasing expenditure on surveillance.

This is the fucked up bit though: The OSA doesn't put the burden of Age gates on the State. They put it on The Service Provider (Websites and services). This is why so many non-porn forums, lemmy instances, and mastodon instances have either had to shut down or geoblock the UK, all the responsibility is on them to institute this lest they get sued out the arse. They can't afford to get YOTI or whatever, or don't have the manpower or money to institute their own system, so they shut down.

It's also why overblocking is a thing: because the OSA's official defination of what should be blocked is so vague so the two people who decide what get's blocked are the Service Provider and the Government effectively in that order. This is why Reddit is blocking things that should not be agegated (like support groups), because the law is so fucking vague, and why sites like Twitter are blocking tweets that don't need to be blocked under the "news" exception (yes, there is an exception for the news).

All of this, by the way, is because an investment trust and thinktank (yes, a lovely little conflict of interest) called Carnegie United Kingdom Trust pretty much wrote the OSA for the government. As an investment trust, they invest money in things, but being private, they don't need to tell Joe Public what they invest in, nor to the Investees need to tell us. So basically, they invested in YOTI or some others like it, and are making money from it because so many sites are forced to have it to work in the UK.

And all the other major tech players (Alphabet, Meta, Microsoft) are developing "Digital ID" systems as a "solution" which will not only make it easier to track people for them and the government, but also for advertisers, so they aren't complaining either.

TL;DR, The UK basically put all the pressure on the Websites so their friends can make loads of money.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Their mass surveillance program doesn’t even work. Like not enough people are watching those video feeds of all the cameras in London to prevent crime or even solve crime. Not to mention UK also has a cop problem. People who are in most need of their protection do not trust the police.

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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago

You can just mail cash to mullvad and include a code that links it to your account.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Well they're going to suddenly see a lot of transexual porn streaming through Antarctica starting.... >click!< NOW.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

This is how you get under-18s to use Tor browser

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Until the go government starts blocking entry nodes, then there will be a whole new country relying on the snowflake protocol.

Also, this doesn't affect only people under 18, any sane adult should never send a copy of their id to anything but the government, bank, insurance or employer.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

a whole new country relying on the snowflake protocol.

That would put them in the company of China, Russia, and Iran. Getting unrestricted Internet to people in those countries is why I am among those who run a snowflake node on a dedicated VPS (the link also has a simple browser addon -- it's easy to support the network, everyone should)

Yes, these moves suck for UK youth. But, anti-censorship tools do exist, and volunteers like me want people who could benefit from them, to know about & use them.

any sane adult should never send a copy of their id to anything but the government, bank, insurance or employer.

100% agree, take my upvote

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does Snowflake still work in China? Thought I read they're now able to detect and block it.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the newer thing to counter that is WebTunnel which came out last year. There's considerably more setup than just starting a snowflake proxy process, and I am ashamed to say I haven't set one up yet

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[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's fine. We'll just use Tor instead

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They'll just block that too. Can't have a full blown dictatorship without taking away any freedom people have. Better not have a negative opinion about it either.

Holy Fuck 1984 was a warning, not a fucking manual on how to do things.

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[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Im guessing they'll make it illegal for users to try to bypass the restriction.

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hello China my old friend ....

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[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

lemmy and mastodon both have lots of porn. this is a dumb waste of time.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago

Insert tasteless parody of the "First They Came" poem

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