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The Trump administration’s ongoing efforts to combine access to the sensitive and personal information of Americans into a single searchable system with the help of shady companies should terrify us – and should inspire us to fight back.

While couched in the benign language of eliminating government “data silos,” this plan runs roughshod over your privacy and security. It’s a throwback to the rightly mocked “Total Information Awareness” plans of the early 2000s that were, at least publicly, stopped after massive outcry from the public and from key members of Congress.

Under this order, ICE is trying to get access to the IRS and Medicaid records of millions of people, and is demanding data from local police. The administration is also making grabs for food stamp data from California and demanding voter registration data from at least nine states.

Much of the plan seems to rely on the data management firm Palantir, formerly based in Palo Alto. It’s telling that the Trump administration would entrust such a sensitive task to a company that has a shaky-at-best record on privacy and human rights.

Bad ideas for spending your taxpayer money never go away – they just hide for a few years and hope no one remembers. But we do. In the early 2000s, when the stated rationale was finding terrorists, the government proposed creating a single all-knowing interface into multiple databases and systems containing information about millions of people. Yet that plan was rightly abandoned after less than three years and millions of wasted taxpayer dollars, because of both privacy concerns and practical problems.

It certainly seems the Trump administration’s intention is to try once again to create a single, all-knowing way to access and use the personal information about everyone in America. Today, of course, the stated focus is on finding violent illegal immigrants and the plan initially only involves data about you held by the government, but the dystopian risks are the same.

Over fifty years ago, after the scandals surrounding Nixon’s “enemies list,” Watergate, and COINTELPRO, in which a President bent on staying in power misused government information to target his political enemies, Congress enacted laws to protect our data privacy. Those laws ensure that data about you collected for one purpose by the government can’t be misused for other purposes or disclosed to other government officials with an actual need. Also, they require the government to carefully secure the data it collects. While not perfect, these laws have served the twin goals of protecting our privacy and data security for many years.

Now the Trump regime is basically ignoring them, and this Congress is doing nothing to stand up for the laws it passed to protect us.

But many of us are pushing back. At the Electronic Frontier Foundation, where I’m executive director, we have sued over DOGE agents grabbing personal data from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, filed an amicus brief in a suit challenging ICE’s grab for taxpayer data, and co-authored another amicus brief challenging ICE’s grab for Medicaid data. We’re not done and we’re not alone.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

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aren't they about to go through an acquisition?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Well apparently asshole prints are as unique as fingerprints, so maybe we'll have a giant database of those too.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This system will, does, or will one day know your porn preferences.

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Cat ears and butt stuff. Might as well save them some CPU cycles.

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[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just that one video over and over for me.

[–] goreddityourself@lemmy.wtf 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That was the whole point of DOGE. Access to the main servers of every government department, not "efficiency". If this data is combined with data from social media, it's possible to make quite detailed profiles of people.
Let's not forget Peter Thiel and the Mercers have been doing this since Brexit.
Also scary that Palantir got a big contract for the NATO.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

It should be pretty clear at this point that the point of DOGE was to further enrich Elon Musk, by dismantling all the government agencies that regulated his businesses.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's stupid from a comsec perspective even if it wasn't stupid for any other reasons. Compartmentalization is a good strategy as we continue to upgrade outdated and vulnerable systems. But of course, this "leader" is an idiot. So he wouldn't know that.

Exactly.

I certainly agree with agencies having some amount of open access to their data, but only for things that are actually relevant. For example, the IRS should be able to check Social Security benefits to verify tax reports, but it shouldn't see details like where their checks are being sent.

If an agency needs access to data, they should specify exactly what they need and the source agency should provide an API to only get that into.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They for sure won't get hold of any notes about medical conditions (or god forbid, notes from your therapist) and use them against you if you opposed them.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean also the fact that they're targeting youth specifically. I worry they will try to remove kids from homes and claim that parents who allow kids to transition are harmful to their own children.

I'm just beyond not thinking worst case scenario at this point.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was being sarcastic.

They will for sure use things like phobias/weaknesses to psychologically influence you to get you out of their way.

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I got the sarcasm. I was just stating that in addition to whatever information they get from notes, I worry they will target people for even allowing their children to receive or seek gender affirming care.

Like they have been arguing for years that allowing your child to begin hormonal therapy before 18 equates to child abuse (while also arguing physical and psychological abuse is your unquestionable God given right as a parent).

And I agree, they start with a focus on hormone blockers to get their foot in the door bc they know their base will support that.

Then it very easily becomes oh well we also need to have access to all the information about any child that has seen a doctor for things like ADHD.

When I say I'm beyond not thinking worst case scenario, I just mean I don't think there's really a scenario where this is somehow something everyone shouldn't be worried about. Even if your child isn't trans.

There's always a canary in the coal mine that becomes the scapegoat they use to get their foot in the door. Somehow people didn't see that was the case with immigrants despite all the warning signs. They argued shit like this was overblown fear mongering.

Now they're moving the goal post a little further, and I don't give a fuck if people want to tell me I'm crazy or fear mongering. They don't fucking deserve the benefit of the doubt. They never did.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

They're all about that Slippery Slope.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can someone EL5 me on how this is different from our data being stolen under the Patriot Act for the last two decades?

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Palantir creates platforms for data.

This is creating a platform that allows somebody to access every piece of data in one centralized location.

So example, when somebody is determining your social security payment (if that even exists in the future) they(or more likely AI) might be basing that decision not just on data relevant to income but also on something like a personal social credit score based on every piece of available government data related to a person over their entire lifetime.

Did you get flagged as suspicious while flying bc of 9/11. Did something end up on your record by complete mistake? In this centralized data base you could have all kinds of real and incorrect details associated with you (or even other people like friends, family, neighbors, coworkers) used to discriminate against you. Data becomes destiny.

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

"You could read anyone's email in the world, anybody you've got an email address for. Any website: You can watch traffic to and from it. Any computer that an individual sits at: You can watch it. Any laptop that you're tracking: you can follow it as it moves from place to place throughout the world. It's a one-stop-shop for access to the NSA's information. ... You can tag individuals ... Let's say you work at a major German corporation and I want access to that network, I can track your username on a website on a forum somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track associations with your friends and I can build what's called a fingerprint, which is network activity unique to you, which means anywhere you go in the world, anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence, your identity."

[–] teft@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.

Also remember that facial recognition has trouble with minority faces so if you get put on that list because some algorithm thought you were someone else you're fucked.

As far as I can tell, the NSA data was into a dataset that allowed report software to run against it. It was also largely metadata, and it didn't assign a person to the metadata.

Meaning it wasn't an "enter a name" or "enter social security number.

This sounds like a dataset built for each person. Now how that's going to work is a different question. Cops can already pull you over, and once they have your license plate, they can see if you've got warrants or outstanding fines, and various legal history.

Palantir's data sounds like an efficient way to cause mass amounts of identity theft.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

We need to start saying they’re adding people who own guns as a table in that database and either get conservatives onboard with stopping it, or more likely just be able to call them hypocrites for one more thing.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

and should inspire us to fight back.

LOL. We won't. US citizens have given up and those that haven't don't believe in anything but peaceful protests or trying to go about things "the right way". Neither of which will do anything but hand over more control to billionaires and child rapists.

[–] witten@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like you've given up and are ready to roll over for Daddy Fascist. Might as well get yourself a MAGA hat to match.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I've given up because I have tried rallying people and nobody wants to rally.

Everyone just wants to peacefully protest, which I disagree with.

Everyone wants to just wait until midterms, which is too late.

Nobody, dems included, have any balls. It's over.

What the fuck have you done?

[–] witten@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If nobody wants to rally behind your rallying cry, maybe try joining some existing organizations that have similar strategy and tactics as you. But just be aware that sometimes meeting those folks requires being active in adjacent spaces. You might need to put in the work to really get plugged in and involved.

But there is a vast sea of resistance work happening between, on one end, peacefully waving cardboard signs at passing cars and, on the other side, armed revolution. I'll give you some examples:

  • Meet with your local representatives and politicians and convince them to pass resolutions or legislation that put local roadblocks in the way of fascist incursions.
  • Look up vendors that supply or provide services to Immigration and Customs Enforcement offices and contact their customers, encouraging them to drop their contracts due to those vendors working with ICE.
  • Block entrances to ICE buildings to prevent kidnapped migrants from being transferred.
  • Follow and harass ICE vehicles so as to screw up their operational security.
  • Bang pots and pans outside hotels where ICE agents are known to be staying so that they can't get any sleep.
  • Show up at immigration court cases in support of migrants.
  • Post long screeds on social media encouraging folks not to give up the fight.

I've done some but not all of the above. You might consider doing the same.

I agree that the people who are just twiddling their thumbs waiting for midterms are misguided, but so are the people who have given up six months into this regime. What I think isn't misguided is trying to slow, delay, and generally gum up the works of everything this regime is trying to accomplish before the midterms. There are only so many months before then, so the more we can prevent them from damaging now, the better off we'll be if and when we take back control. (I fully realize the prospect of even having midterms isn't guaranteed, much less winning them.)

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I really like your second bullet.

A couple of the others, my only hesitation is that I am a naturalized, non-white citizen so I do sometimes have to balance the progress my actions will yield with being disappeared from the equation entirely. Thoughts?

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[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

He's right.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It depends on the situation. Better information sharing is important for protecting vulnerable people and children. However, we absolutely shouldn't have every agency accessing sensitive information like medical records just cos they want to.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There is no situation where collecting vast amounts of information benefits the general public. It only serves to increase the power of the government.

When you're tried in court for a crime, whether or not you actually committed the crime is not the only question that will be raised. There will be mountains of evidence about your "character" and basically "is this this type of person who could commit this crime?" The more information they collect, the more they can use against you as evidence of criminal intent.

In this way, they can basically make anyone they want into a criminal, and in a vindictive administration like we have right now (and most certainly will have again), that will most certainly be abused.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago

Yep it depends on the data and situation.

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